[dev1000] Dynamis Reborn!

[Randwolf]

I don't know anyone who "got rich" off dynamis. It was the players who sold coins who put a value on them. The people who sponsored runs did not make money, thay paid out millions.

There were some people who claimed to be going for a relic but then sold the currency, and I'd agree that those people sucked. But pushing a relic is (or maybe was) the only way to complete a relic in a reasonable amount of time (e.g. less than a year). Even if you had 999,999,999 gil, it would have taken forever to buy the currency from bazaars.

This change is for the better- mostly eliminating the cost of dynamis and making it an open area will both make relics easier to get and making the currency cheaper and eliminate all the hate, but stop labeling run sponsors as horrible people. For the most part, they're not.

If you feel you're being exploited, you have the right and ability to get out at any time. If you're honestly interested in helping someone get a relic, you have every right and ability to stay. All I know is the leaders of my shell were good people and did not walk all over everyone or behave in ways the group didn't approve. And they continued to run dynamis after relics were completed.

No matter who you are, as far as I can tell, everyone wins with these changes. I just don't like seeing people be unfairly hated on.

I think a lot of people have had bad experiences around the getting other people relics thing. It doesn't mean it always bad. But, I know that some of the following have occurred and probably really soured people on the sponsor thing:

1) Your point about those who actually sold the currency they were getting
2) Who was allowed to sponsor runs was based not on fairness but who the leaders liked
3) Dynamis Schedule was dictated by what one individual needed, even if a lot of people wanted gear from a different zone
4) Dynamis was a mandatory event so there wasn't a choice if you wanted to stay in the shell
5) In some shells, the sponsor couldn't lot relic gear. But some do allow the sponsor to lot gear
6) Most shells, especially before the cap was raised, required people to provide food, meds, and RR (so it wasn't cost free)
7) People got their relic and suddenly 'vanished'
8) When it came their turn to get to sponsor, so many people had left, the shell broke

There are shells out there are totally fair and the people getting to sponsor are good people. But, I think a lot of people have had experience with shells that did do things which might be considered unfair. This is probably why you don't see a lot of sympathy from the player base on how the changes affect people who sponsor runs. Again, in fairness, it isn't every shell that has sponsors that gives sponsor runs a bad name. But, there are enough of them that people have had an opportunity to experience the negative.

[Ilax]

1) Your point about those who actually sold the currency they were getting

That part just opened a door to RMT to sell gil to player that wanted to buy currency to get relic.

No matter the SOURCE of the story is the same to me, if is an HNM LS that sell ridill for 100m to GIL buyer, and that HNM buy relic with that GIL, then to me is from same source: RMT.

If you think Mr. Anybody buy currency by farming on they own (260m overpriced currency) then i am sorry but you really off track... back in the time was same story as it is today: 1 relic = 6~8month. So let say 52~68 run, so the real cost always been 52~68m until SE reduce glass to 500k, so 26m to 34m. Who the hell would pay 260m when real cost is 34m max????

2) Who was allowed to sponsor runs was based not on fairness but who the leaders liked
I leaded dynamis long time enough to know the real story about that

I can't talk for every linkshell, but i can state easy the reality of it, is not because you joining an linkshell that they have to work for you, and take a ticked and hope they choose you. Causing drama, show only 1/10, lot again everyone on AFv2 just because you love collect trophy, just piss off everyone in general just because you think you better then anyone, RESULT = No Thanks to Sponsor. Then if you pass all these test and been very present, then hope you lucky enough to be next on sponsor because there probably 10 other member like you. You don't like it? Make your own LS, but for god shake don't complain and claim 'IS UNFAIR'.

Dynamis Schedule was dictated by what one individual needed, even if a lot of people wanted gear from a different zone

Same as #2...

4) Dynamis was a mandatory event so there wasn't a choice if you wanted to stay in the shell

Of course, how you would like no one show when is the zone you need AF? Once again is selfish thinking, these kind of rule is to keep the group tight and make them able to success an event.

5) In some shells, the sponsor couldn't lot relic gear. But some do allow the sponsor to lot gear

In mine, sponsor never been allowed to lot on AF/Shadow gear/Accessory, even more rude then that, they had to be 1 yr minimum in the LS and they loose all they point as soon they sponsor 1 run. And trust me if i would see someone spend all they point on AF pre-sponsor, he would loose his chance. Chose your camp, you in for AF or for currency, because trust me i will take the member who did not rush to spend his point pre decision on next sponsor. Some might think leader are retarded and enough blind to not see it, trust me we not that dumb.

6) Most shells, especially before the cap was raised, required people to provide food, meds, and RR (so it wasn't cost free)

I never asked any of my member to bring such of item, for CoP zone, Xar, etc where you need poison pot or special medic, our sponsor always take care of the cost and ppl could buy it from they bazaar for 1 gil... For re-raise item we always got the same rule since day 1 of our dynamis. We offer random raise on wipe, if that is not enough for you then bring your RR2 pin, if you really wan R3, no problem we charging you point for it. [Not like there no alternative, and no we never been there to do babysitting] I was loosing 20~30k experience every Xarcabar just sac pulling everything to avoid too many of our member die (Of course that could have been avoid with skilled RDM.....) What can i say, you deal with what you have, ask anyone how many time my THF de-leveled to 74... NONE.... So ask me if i care for the player that die 1x and cry like a little baby: R3 onry! Even more funny when that one ask you for sponsor...

7) People got their relic and suddenly 'vanished'

That what happen when your leader accept anyone and have weak rule. Never happen once in my dynamis ls, and trust me that might never happen. There always a true risk, but as i stated we been enough selective to figure it out right.

8) When it came their turn to get to sponsor, so many people had left, the shell broke

This is why is the VERY IMPORTANT that who is about to sponsor is respected by everyone in the LS, once again if your leader put an a$$-h#le as sponsor, don't question yourself why everyone left.[/quote]

There are shells out there are totally fair and the people getting to sponsor are good people. But, I think a lot of people have had experience with shells that did do things which might be considered unfair. This is probably why you don't see a lot of sympathy from the player base on how the changes affect people who sponsor runs. Again, in fairness, it isn't every shell that has sponsors that gives sponsor runs a bad name. But, there are enough of them that people have had an opportunity to experience the negative.

I agree on that, i was myself in a unfair linkshell, i got shafted many time.... At the end i was doing all the duty job for the LS, as promise i would be able to sponsor... Guess what, when that time come he decided to take his friend instead of me to sponsor.... Guess what more insulting? His friend was a 1 week old member, versus me with him since start (2yr long). My reaction been simple, i left and created my own LS that ended to be more successful in 1 week as i stated in my other post. (our LS on 4th relic completion in last 2yr).

Dynamis is such of hardcore event, is more then only bashing on mob for Af/Relic... well... used to be... I guess new option for relic is buy currency from everyone after this update. Dream on if you think you can get one for 34m after this update.