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    Player Dazusu's Avatar
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    Dazusu
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    I'm concerned that easy content just got nerfed. There's other ways around the Embrava nerf. March & Tacticians Roll for exmaple; not as amazing and can be dispelled - but nonetheless, a healthy substitute. The few remaining tidbids of end-game don't need nerfing; that is unless you are prepared to offer end-game straight out of the gate with Adoulin (which I doubt)
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    Player NDSI's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazusu View Post
    I'm concerned that easy content just got nerfed. There's other ways around the Embrava nerf. March & Tacticians Roll for exmaple; not as amazing and can be dispelled - but nonetheless, a healthy substitute.
    It requires 2 jobs to the the job of 1, seeing as the 4DD + 2 SCH, that makes 1 SCH, that might be changed to RDM or WHM, a BRD for march, a COR for tactician roll, that leaves room for 3DD, a COR can do some damage but personally not impressed by it, due to gun being a slow weapon, with embrava people can spread out and find and kill: all, single, Leader, Family, floors but with the nerf people gonna have to stick together, due to short regen, no regain, which making it slower floors gonna take longer then 3 minutes, where you have about 2 min per floor to get a win out of it really, so unless they add extra time to Neo-Nyzul, or make it possible to start at floor 51 there is only a real slim chance to even make it to floor 80.

    I am all about making the game more balanced and people experiment with NNI to broaden the job choices for it, but atm i just don't think it will be possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NDSI View Post
    I am all about making the game more balanced and people experiment with NNI to broaden the job choices for it, but atm i just don't think it will be possible.
    DD+DD+DD+DD+BRD+SCH

    BRD stays at lamp and has to know the timer on their songs, keeping track of when they will go down. The BRD must also have as much +duration gear as possible as well as 5/5 on Troubadour and Nightingale and preferably with the Emp harp as well. BRD uses double marches, if they have an Emp harp they use it for move speed songs on leader floors or spec enemy floors while DDs use Sneak/Invis, it wears when you are hit but till you engage the NM it works to speed you up.

    SCH moves out and cures like in current NNI. Using Regen as it goes down keeping it on DDs, without Embrava you can use Regen V to mimic the effects but you have to keep an eye on it. SCH should also try to keep Adlo and Haste on all DDs if possible to speed up killing, as well as possibly Phalanx since it works so well in combo with PDT especially if your DDs have PDT sets for running, and a Hybrid for DDing. Embrava may not be as powerful in raw DD power as it is now, but you can still use it if you make it to 80 or 100 to zerg the boss down faster and easier.

    To me it does not sound to implausible to do it that way, people just have to be more careful and pay more attention. Mainly with buff timers, the BRD most importantly must make sure they watch their songs duration so they know when Marches will go down and cast them again before they do. The SCH also has to keep an eye on MP since they will be doing more casting than before, and watching timers for their buffs as well, when the BRD buffs at the start of a floor there is a delay where everyone will be together, SCHs need to abuse that delay for their buffs as well. Overall, I think it could be done, but it will take more skill & luck to pull through, I believe floor 80 will easily become the new target for 90% of people doing it, if not everyone who does it legitimately.
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