Auto-Translate Expansion

[Byrth]

Hello!

I was wondering whether Adoulin would include an expansion of the Auto-Translate function to include the many new game terms, Key Items, Job Abilities/Trait, and so on. There have been many terms introduced since level 75 that have not been added. It drives the different language communities even further apart when we cannot communicate properly.

If I recall correctly, the reason for the terms not being added had something to do with PS2 memory limits. Inferring one step beyond that, it seems obvious that this is a limit placed on the active translate list (accessed with [Tab]) because the game is capable of translating something like 15000 item names. Could you guys just fix this system somehow? If it's not possible to do it on the PS2, that's fine. PS2 players will still be capable of displaying the autotranslated terms even if they can't access them (as they can see any of the >15000 autotranslate terms that I randomly say now). This would be a perfect component of the new UI, though I would like it to come out a little sooner. Hopefully it would come out with Adoulin to make mission coordination easier.

Thanks!

[Seyomeyo]

From what I remember, they were going to take out some terms in order to make room, and they had a thread going to see which terms were useless. What happened to said thread I have no idea.

[Alhanelem]

They can't expand the auto translate due to ps2 limitations- this means to add new terms they have to delete old ones, from what the community team has said in the past.

[Byrth]

Guys, try reading the second body paragraph. Here it is again, longer this time:

They've added a few hundred autotranslatable items to the PS2 since they last told us that they'd have to delete terms to add more. This makes it obvious that what they can't do is add things to the lexicon you access with Tab, but they can add things to the total autotranslate lexicon in general. The item lexicon (which you access through Tab) is normally limited to something like your last 100 most recently viewed/translated items, so adding autotranslatable items to the dictionary doesn't affect its active size. Adding things like "Game Terms", Job Traits, Job Abilities, etc. does affect its size because they'd have to be accessible all the time due to the way it is currently designed.

There are various solutions to this problem that would also work on the PS2 (like limiting your job ability autotranslate lexicon to the ones you currently have access to), but a more satisfying solution would simply be to leave the PS2 in the dust and expand it on the PC. Because there's no notable limit to the number of autotranslate terms that the PS2 can receive/display*, expanding this list for the PC will not have an impact on compatibility between the clients. PS2 users won't be able to say the newly added terms, but as it currently stands no one can say them.

* Remember, I can only tab for 100 items but I can see 15,000 items.



tl;dr:
1) If they're willing to change the UI exclusively for PC (not PS2)
AND
2) There's no limit on dictionary size even for PS2 (there isn't, just active dictionary size)
THEN
3) There's no reason to limit the PC Autotranslate dictionary because it isn't going to cause compatibility issues.

[Alpheus]

I do hope they respond to this. I do miss having Voidwatch KIs translatable. Shame they no longer were once they were given their own category.

[SpankWustler]

If auto-translate is expanded...

I would like to petition for the phrase "Are you wearing any leg equipment?" to be added, because "Are you alone?" doesn't let me fully and properly convey my creepiness to Japanese people.

[Alhanelem]

Guys, try reading the second body paragraph. Here it is again, longer this time:

They've added a few hundred autotranslatable items to the PS2 since they last told us that they'd have to delete terms to add more.

No, they haven't. There hasn't been one new term added without something being removed.

Items don't count -- they're not part of the autotranslate dictionary -- hence why they're not always available- An item's name has to be loaded in before you can translate it with the tab key (which happens when you use the /translate command.)

To add more terms in this manner would mean having to push items out of the 100 item history- And this would make them inconvenient to access because you'd first have to see someone else use it or use the /translate command yourself before you could say it, instead of it coming up just when you hit tab. To me, that's not an acceptable solution.

[Byrth]

Herp derp derp herp?

Read the post.

[SpankWustler]

Maybe this example will help, although I thought Byrth's point was really clear:

Let's say you're playing on a PS2. You just finished logging back in after crashing during a cut-scene or an ill-fated attempt to walk through Whitegate.

You receive a /tell from a Japanese guy who mistakenly thinks you are a ten-year old girl. He asks "Are you alone?" and informs you that he is wearing a "Clown's Subligar".

You receive a /tell from another Japanese guy who mistakenly thinks you are a ten-year old girl. He asks "Are you alone?" and informs you that he is wearing "Feral Trousers", and tosses in some more moon runes to convey his feral lust.

You receive a /tell from another Japanese guy who mistakenly thinks you are a ten-year old girl. He asks "Are you alone?" and informs you that he is wearing a "Ucn. Subligar +1", complete with HQ horn.

This process continues until every Japanese person on your server has conveyed to you both his misplaced desire and his specific leg equipment using auto-translate. You've just seen thousands of auto-translated terms on PS2 even though, much like the engine of the Starship Enterprise, it's memory cannot take anymore and is about to blow.

A bunch of new terms added to the PC's Tab-Dictionary would work similarly for PS2 players; they could be seen when used but not easily accessed otherwise.

For PC users this would not be the case; it would be much simpler. They could just access these terms normally from the Tab-Dictionary because the average PC has more memory than a really fancy toaster made in late 2012.

[Lokithor]

I would be happy if they just added "Abyssea" to auto translate. Seems pretty basic to me that all world regions should be translatable.