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    Player Ramaza's Avatar
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    BST Native Dual-Wield~

    I've searched the forums and never seen it suggested, but why can't BST have its own native dual wield? It seems like most of the one-handed DDs these days (BLU, NIN, THF, DNC) get dual-wield, but BST gets none unless they sub /DNC or /NIN. Letting us have our own native dual-wield could open up more SJ options and let us sub more damaging SJs like /WAR and at least try to compete with other hard hitting melee in party situations. Not only that but we could dual wield -PDT axes as /WHM or /SCH for solo if we needed to sub those and not /DNC.
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    This would be a fun addition, but that's the problem. We're not allowed to have too much fun, at least some of our gameplay has to be frustrating. At least we're not relying on Charm roulette to stay alive at all times anymore, now our biggest annoyances are jug space and no native DW. I like this suggestion, but every non-BST will hate it forever and pre-emptively cry nerf.
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    Player Ramaza's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caketime View Post
    This would be a fun addition, but that's the problem. We're not allowed to have too much fun, at least some of our gameplay has to be frustrating. At least we're not relying on Charm roulette to stay alive at all times anymore, now our biggest annoyances are jug space and no native DW. I like this suggestion, but every non-BST will hate it forever and pre-emptively cry nerf.
    Said no happy, no fun no merriment lol. At this point though I can't imagine why any other job would cry foul because BST got it's own native dual-wield traits. It only makes sense at this point. I mean common now, do they really expect people to still being using board and axe outside the most niche of situations :x? At least with a native dual-wield trait we could better compete with other jobs for damage. I don't even mind the annoyance of tons upon tons of jugs if we could just get our own dual-wield without /NIN or /DNC.
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    Because SE gave us fencer. They never test anything in this game or play it themselves, so they have no idea that fencer is absolutely worthless even for it's intended purpose, but it's there.
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    @OP you didn't search far enough, there were about 138 threads encompassing every job about giving every single job dual wield native, and that certainly included beast. the discussions went on for weeks, and it was about as informative and interesting as a steady diet of 3:00 a.m. C-span. The eventual answer was that thf got dual wield. The End.
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    Player Ramaza's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glamdring View Post
    @OP you didn't search far enough, there were about 138 threads encompassing every job about giving every single job dual wield native, and that certainly included beast. the discussions went on for weeks, and it was about as informative and interesting as a steady diet of 3:00 a.m. C-span. The eventual answer was that thf got dual wield. The End.
    I actually did a deeper search of the forums and found the thread your talking about a couple of days ago. It's a shame that's all it amounted to. I don't get why THF and BLU got Dual-wield and not BST. I would think that out of all the potential dual-wielding jobs we'd at least make it to the top 4 in terms of actually making use of dual wield. At this point though I'm fully expecting we get shield mastery of all things :/
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    Player Ramaza's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louispv View Post
    Because SE gave us fencer. They never test anything in this game or play it themselves, so they have no idea that fencer is absolutely worthless even for it's intended purpose, but it's there.
    Real talk, making it not work with dual wield is one of the dumbest moves they've made by far. I don't see Fencer being that game breaking or unbalanced for BST if it actually worked with dual wield, or ACTUALLY GIVING US the dual wield trait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramaza View Post
    I actually did a deeper search of the forums and found the thread your talking about a couple of days ago. It's a shame that's all it amounted to. I don't get why THF and BLU got Dual-wield and not BST. I would think that out of all the potential dual-wielding jobs we'd at least make it to the top 4 in terms of actually making use of dual wield. At this point though I'm fully expecting we get shield mastery of all things :/
    If its what you get, then your in the same boat as RDM, not a pleasant boat I assure you, cause it means SE at least acknowledged your problem, and instead of fixing it they thought it was better to simply give you something off topic and terrible for your job.
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    Player Ramaza's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demon6324236 View Post
    If its what you get, then your in the same boat as RDM, not a pleasant boat I assure you, cause it means SE at least acknowledged your problem, and instead of fixing it they thought it was better to simply give you something off topic and terrible for your job.
    I just really want to understand their thought processes behind some of these job adjustments. There's things they could be doing right now that are simple, small, and easy additions like BST dual wield, or giving RDMs the merit spells in scroll form instead. Yet for some odd reason it either neither gets done, or its something we never asked for, didn't want and still don't need today. I mean why would anyone willingly single wield on BST in this day and age unless forced into it for a niche situation.
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    I actually find Fencer quite useful, however at its current Tier on BST its practically worthless (No its still better than nothing!), now if SE would increase BST's Fencer = or greater than that of WAR's, I would gladly take Fencer over Dual Wield any day!

    Hey Devs! Can we get a Fencer trait increase to that of WARs?

    Seeing as our primary weapon is a SINGLE HANDED WEAPON?

    And how about an Accuracy and Attack bonus to Fencer too?
    Up to +15 at the 5th tier?
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    Last edited by Raborn; 02-28-2013 at 10:12 AM.

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