[Suggestion] PS4 version.

[RAIST]

actually...from a cold boot, I can get into FFXI faster on my dinosaur of a PC than I can get into Borderlands2 on my new PS3 from a cold boot.

It all depends on how you are set up I guess. But in general, PC's offer way more flexibility than a console. Games are developed on a PC/MAC, then loaded on the console for testing. Why? Because they have considerably more resources under the hood. Also, if a game requires more resources to run as intended, you simply upgrade the PC if needed---can't necessarily do that with a console.

No matter how you slice it, the PC is generally a better platform in the long run if you are dealing with games that are meant to evolve and grow over time (and thus potentially demanding more resources one day).

[Ramaza]

actually...from a cold boot, I can get into FFXI faster on my dinosaur of a PC than I can get into Borderlands2 on my new PS3 from a cold boot.

It all depends on how you are set up I guess. But in general, PC's offer way more flexibility than a console. Games are developed on a PC/MAC, then loaded on the console for testing. Why? Because they have considerably more resources under the hood. Also, if a game requires more resources to run as intended, you simply upgrade the PC if needed---can't necessarily do that with a console.

No matter how you slice it, the PC is generally a better platform in the long run if you are dealing with games that are meant to evolve and grow over time (and thus potentially demanding more resources one day).

While I can see your point I think we're all forgetting a critical part here. This game is nearly 10 years old. It can practically be run on a toaster these days as far as PC is concerned. The PS4 is orders of magnitude stronger than even the bare minimum requirements to run the game. It'll be a cold day in a certain place before this game ever gets close to using 8 gigs to run in main memory.

The only things that would really stop this game from being on the PS4 is recompiling the game for the PS4's custom firmware. So really it boils down to the price recompiling and recoding to make it work on the PS4 versus potential increase in customer base, and how many people would actually buy into a 10 year old MMO such as this. Other than that there is really no drawback to having this game on the PS4 from a logical standpoint.

[Zhronne]

Unless you're referring to L3 and R3 (and how would you be able to tell?), Select and Start already each have dedicated areas of the touchpad along the bottom edge.

I think that's a prototype, this is the new version:




From the official data sheet released they said that Select and Start will be accessible through a menu from the "Option" button.
This is the only, if possible, disappointing thing I read about the PS4. If anything I would have loved 2 buttons MORE, not less.
There's hope they will allow you to map the right side and left side of the touchpad to "Select" and "Start" (sorta like in the prototype pic you posted) but it's a bit too early to tell I guess.

[Alhanelem]

Yeah but PC gamers only like PC games because they're basement dwelling oddities.

Logical fallacy alert. Stereotypes don't help your argument, and just as many console gamers are basement dwellers.

Consoles ae standardized hardware meaning that each unit is nearly identical hardware wise. There are no hardware incompatibilities and you don't need to upgrade hardware constantly.

If you build your PC properly the first time, it will last years before really needing an upgrade. Not "constantly."

I bet my PC and yours doesn't have a single matching part equipped to it!

Yet, in all probability, we can probably play most if not all of the same games on them. Your point lacks merit.

PS2 Limitations severely hindered FFXI's ability to grow and expand. With FFXIV using PC as the primary platform, the issue won't be as big of a deal, but it's still better to just keep the game on the one platform it's most suited to. With FFXI, if it was a PC game first, we'd likely have had a better UI from the beginning, graphical upgrades over time, more fixes and content more quickly, and more often.

[Jaall]

I never get the logic that ps2 hindered FFXI simply for the fact that it was designed years ago when the PS2 was in it's prime. It's almost like saying "oh, Xbox 360 is bad for call of duty now, let's cut all 360's access to the game and bring it out on Xbox 720 because then we can increase potential". Just stupid that most people assume FFXI would work that way. Yes it gives limitations but if any game developer comes to those limitations and starts losing a player base due to them they create a new game. Oh and guess what... FFXIV. Issue here is that people have wasted a lot of years on this game and never realised it until the threat of it collapsing appears, or want too much. If you really like FFXI you would be happy with it the way it is and if not then you wont mind switching to FFXIV surely? Way I see it FFXIV is gonna be a lot like FFXI but with a new UI and slightly different combat system.

[Alhanelem]

I never get the logic that ps2 hindered FFXI simply for the fact that it was designed years ago when the PS2 was in it's prime. It's almost like saying "oh, Xbox 360 is bad for call of duty now, let's cut all 360's access to the game and bring it out on Xbox 720 because then we can increase potential". Just stupid that most people assume FFXI would work that way. Yes it gives limitations but if any game developer comes to those limitations and starts losing a player base due to them they create a new game. Oh and guess what... FFXIV. Issue here is that people have wasted a lot of years on this game and never realised it until the threat of it collapsing appears, or want too much. If you really like FFXI you would be happy with it the way it is and if not then you wont mind switching to FFXIV surely? Way I see it FFXIV is gonna be a lot like FFXI but with a new UI and slightly different combat system.

FFXI is not anything like call of duty. CoD was released as a finished game- MMORPGs are never "finished" and continue to grow and expand and add new features over time. What FFXI had when the game was new was well within the PS2's capability- but that is no longer the case. If you could upgrade the PS2- put in a bigger hard drive, add some memory- you could eliminate these problems. But you can't. Only the PC can do this.

[RAIST]

have to remember, we nearly maxed out certain registers when TAU came out in what.... 2006? or was it 2005? forget the timeline. Since then, they've resorted to trickery to get around them (a la: Locker, Satchel, Sack, etc.).

As Alhanalem pointed out, this could be more readily addressed in a PC environment---if not for their desire to maintain compliance with the PS2. If not for the need to maintain certain aspects of code tied to (and restricted by) PS2 limitations, this game could have evolved so much more over the last 10 years or so.

Also bear in mind, that if it DID get ported to the PS4, it would likely be simply that--another port.....with the same restrictions embedded due to continued PS2 compliance issues. Until that gets removed from the equation AND the dev's are given the freedom to rewrite some core code---just gonna be the same issues on newer hardware.

[Jaall]

My point with FFXI and CoD is that like CoD, it would never get changed anyway. Maybe it would get a few new updates but seriously? We have enough issues with Dev's regarding updates already what with them being too busy with FFXIV and a new expansion. We're already getting more but the updates for this game are slowing, are you really putting all that blame onto the fact this game has to follow PS2 limitations? Truth is, they're moving on like most other game developers, sure they're keeping this game alive but barely and only cause it still brings in money. If I had an old car that people paid me to use, even if it was old and rusty I'd keep it going for as long as they were paying me. This is the same deal.

[Sarick]

If you build your PC properly the first time, it will last years before really needing an upgrade. Not "constantly."

Oh so you think comparing $2400+ for an advanced computer to a under $500 console accounts not needing to updated constantly? Your logic hides the fact that building a computer right means spending much more then whats needed for current gen games. A console out of the box is 1/5 the cost of a long term invested PC. It's usable life is 5-10 years and in that time the console gets cheaper but still plays all the new games until it's end of life.

Yet, in all probability, we can probably play most if not all of the same games on them. Your point lacks merit.

I don't know where you've been getting your info but there are a lot of FFXI incompatible computers out there. Just look at the supported video cards. That list has more merit in what I'm saying then the entire context of this topic. A lot of the new laptops can't run it because the video cards aren't supported.

PS2 Limitations severely hindered FFXI's ability to grow and expand.

Let me ask you this, Why did you join an MMO that was SEVERELY limited by PS2 limitations when you could've played everquest or something like EVE? If you didn't chose FFXI the first time you wouldn't be here complaining about the limitations. The truth is the PS2 is what created the biggest expansion of players when it launched on PS2 they population skyrocketed.

With FFXIV using PC as the primary platform, the issue won't be as big of a deal, but it's still better to just keep the game on the one platform it's most suited to. With FFXI, if it was a PC game first, we'd likely have had a better UI from the beginning, graphical upgrades over time, more fixes and content more quickly, and more often.

They can't even keep support XP OS compatible even though the end of is life in 2014.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...ucts/lifecycle

So, what's that say? It says they could be losing massive amounts of money because there is to much competition in the market. If they continue with the same support practices they provide in FFXI it won't go well with new customers. FF14 flopped first time out most people hated it. People are fickle when they just start out if it's not user friendly they don't stick around. It didn't generate interest and had a lot of negative hate.

When FF11 was launched there wasn't as much competition and console based online games where just starting out. Sqaresoft and the FF series had a much stronger devoted following. The console version and setup was easy to understands and less complex then it is today to setup an account.

All in all there won't be a PS3 or PS4 version, the PC version might end up having a short life too. With all the cuts to support etc. The FFXI online market is digging its own grave and people who want the best of everything aren't going to save it.

[Demon6324236]

All in all there won't be a PS3 or PS4 version, the PC version might end up having a short life too. With all the cuts to support etc. The FFXI online market is digging its own grave and people who want the best of everything aren't going to save it.

They dropped PS2 everywhere but Japan for the new expansion, PS2 has been discontinued by Sony, I doubt the PC is going anywhere right now, but if SE is dropping XP support because Microsoft is no longer supporting it, you have to admit it looks like the PS2 may be coming up on the chopping block in the next year or two. I doubt there will be a PS3 or PS4 version of this game unless somehow SE flops on FFXIV and this game gets a ton more players from SoA, enough so that they can somehow afford to keep everyone on staff from FFXIV, but instead have them work on this game. If that somehow happened, then this game could possibly be upgraded to a level of graphics and such to fit those consoles, not to mention look more modern on the PC as well, instead of the way it looks now.

This is all to say that they did not just cut their losses and back off of the MMO market entirely and leave FFXI as is, or that they did not attempt to save FFXIV yet again, or something similar with their extra hypothetical income from FFXI:SoA.