Waypoints

[Kari]

The real issue is SE gives us new methods of warping places that are supposed to be convenient, but they don't make them convenient.

Making them convenient does not hurt their big projects. People seem so worried that the reason avatars and all that jazz are being delayed is that we're getting Quality of Life fixes and changes. It's not.

In the past we already had Abyssea NPCs extended from Jeuno to the three nations and such, I don't see why we can't have Waypoints in home nations. It seems silly that they implemented the system without including them in the first place.

[Alhanelem]

The real issue is SE gives us new methods of warping places that are supposed to be convenient, but they don't make them convenient.

I'd have to disagree, most of them are quite conveninent. They're not inside your moghouse or immediately adjacent to the door, but they're convenient enough. We absolutely are seeing other things delayed because of XYZ other things they're working on (not necessarily any of the things you named)

I believe they still want a certain amount of "distance" between the three original cities and jeuno. Travel to basically anywhere else is very convenient and I can't believe that's just a fluke.

My guess is they don't want to make the airships totally irrelevant (not that they aren't nearly so already), but that's just a guess (in which case, they need to cut the travel time of the airships, considering there's nothing to do on them most of the time)

[yankeestom]

(in which case, they need to cut the travel time of the airships, considering there's nothing to do on them most of the time)

So you're not against things being streamlined, as long as it's your idea. Got it.

[Alhanelem]

So you're not against things being streamlined, as long as it's your idea. Got it.

No, you don't got it. There's a difference between streamlining and easy-buttoning.

The airships already take longer than other forms of transit- their only advantage is they're nice if you want to go AFK for a few minutes. Basically, they're already irrelevant. My post was not a suggestion for a solution- it was an illustration of why I think they are / are not taking certain actions. Nowhere in my post did I say "I don't want anything to be improved unless it's my idea," nor did I even imply it. Your post is just trollish and inflammatory.

That being said, I'm not really sure why people are complaining about this considering the voidwatch NPCs can drop you at the three nation's doorsteps without even having killing a single voidwatch NM.

[yankeestom]

No, you don't got it. There's a difference between streamlining and easy-buttoning.

The airships already take longer than other forms of transit- their only advantage is they're nice if you want to go AFK for a few minutes. Basically, they're already irrelevant. My post was not a suggestion for a solution- it was an illustration of why I think they are / are not taking certain actions. Nowhere in my post did I say "I don't want anything to be improved unless it's my idea," nor did I even imply it. Your post is just trollish and inflammatory.

I'm comparing shorter airship rides (your example) to placing a waypoint in my starter city (mine). You validate yours by saying "there's nothing else to do on the airship, anyway". What exactly is there to do when walking to the outpost warp, then selbina, then to the waypoint? Why is your example a valid request, while mine is "easy-buttoning"?

[Alhanelem]

I'm comparing shorter airship rides (your example) to placing a waypoint in my starter city (mine). You validate yours by saying "there's nothing else to do on the airship, anyway". What exactly is there to do when walking to the outpost warp, then selbina, then to the waypoint? Why is your example a valid request, while mine is "easy-buttoning"?

I'm not making a request. You're misreading the intent of my post. Notice how all that stuff is in parentheses. Ignore the parens and their contents for a moment and read the sentence they are found within.

[yankeestom]

I'm not making a request. You're misreading the intent of my post. Notice how all that stuff is in parentheses. Ignore the parens and their contents for a moment and read the sentence they are found within.

I understand completely the intent of your post. No, you're not specifically asking for shorter airship rides, but you state that if they want the airships to remain relevant, they should shorten the ride time. Therefore, you think that would be something reasonable for them to do, but putting an extra waypoint somewhere is so entirely different and "easy-buttoning" that you need to come in here and argue against it.

[Yinnyth]

Everyone has a different place they choose to draw the line. It's not about ego, it's about what their idea of moderation is. Alhanelem is one of the last guys on these forums I'd accuse of being that self-absorbed, anyways.

If waypoints in the starter cities are the only change you want, and that is exactly where you draw the line, I can get behind that. If you start asking for more and more transportation under the banner of convenience, I must oppose it. There must be good reason beyond simple convenience for me to support any changes.

Side note: I personally feel the devs should throw newbs a bone and make airship rides free. No veteran player would be using the airship when they have so many teleport options anyways.

[yankeestom]

If waypoints in the starter cities are the only change you want, and that is exactly where you draw the line, I can get behind that.

That is all I asked for.

[Alhanelem]

Everyone has a different place they choose to draw the line. It's not about ego, it's about what their idea of moderation is. Alhanelem is one of the last guys on these forums I'd accuse of being that self-absorbed, anyways.

If waypoints in the starter cities are the only change you want, and that is exactly where you draw the line, I can get behind that. If you start asking for more and more transportation under the banner of convenience, I must oppose it. There must be good reason beyond simple convenience for me to support any changes.

Side note: I personally feel the devs should throw newbs a bone and make airship rides free. No veteran player would be using the airship when they have so many teleport options anyways.

I'm not really against the idea of more ways to get to the three cities; however, I feel the voidwatch teleport works just fine. The thing is, any new transportation between jeuno and the cities should have some prerequisites so that newer players still have to explore the land between them the first time around.