Revamp the way we gain experience points

[scaevola]

Take THF for example. In the old days people who played THF would learn just the basic SATA from party members explaining to them how to do it. Now new THF at 99 who have never played the game before have no real idea how SA and TA are to work as well as the other JA that benefit THF in end game.

Yeah actually you're right; some things are kind of hard to figure out on your own without somebody knowledgeable present to explain them to you.

Fortunately, people recognized this problem a while back and tried to address it with a pretty neat little innovation called "writing".

[RAIST]

Fortunately, people recognized this problem a while back and tried to address it with a pretty neat little innovation called "writing".

If only people would take the time to do a little research...so many posts lately about "problems" that are already covered even in the older wiki's that receive little updating these days.

[saevel]

Yeah actually you're right; some things are kind of hard to figure out on your own without somebody knowledgeable present to explain them to you.

Fortunately, people recognized this problem a while back and tried to address it with a pretty neat little innovation called "writing".

OMG seriously! You mean people can learn about something without being subjected to blind trial & error? WTF is this nonsense, why ... that's CHEATING! You should be banned for suggesting some actually research community knowledge pools!

Next you'll tell me that we're not supposed to wear costumes of our characters while we play.

[FrankReynolds]

Next you'll tell me that we're not supposed to wear costumes of our characters while we play.

No way man. If I can't dress as a galka in a mankini while I play, I'm out of here.

[scaevola]

No way man. If I can't dress as a galka in a mankini while I play, I'm out of here.

IMMERSION.

You missed the part where good players can become bad players and bad players MIGHT become good players. The part about good players becoming bad players doesn't always mean it's their fault. Take for instance someone had a minor stroke or other health conditions like old age.

Well, I think the more refined way of saying it is bad players will remain bad players INDEPENDENT of how they gain their levels. The biggest reason for this is that dead weight in an XP party was still getting XP; at 99, there comes a point relatively quickly at which you can no longer progress unless you step up your game a little bit, and I think that's always been the relevant moment regardless of how slowly or quickly we were getting XP.

[Demon6324236]

But instead they learn how to use them in a real endgame scenario. THFs in xp parties were able to use SATA to keep hate on a tank, in endgame enmity is so broken that SATA does not have that use, instead its used to make your WSs do more damage. There is a massive functional difference in now things work in xp parties vs endgame. PLD is another job you can use for instance, in xp parties, you were to keep hate on a mob and tank it. In endgame you are to supertank adds, never even hitting the mob, and in most cases you completely ignore the entire function of enmity as a whole. DDs in xp parties had to hold back at times so they did not take hate and wipe the party, in endgame its an all out zerg of throwing down the most damage possible in the least amount of time.

There are not many things people learned doing xp parties that was actually helpful in endgame today. Exp parties and endgame today are 2 very separate things, and are practically entirely different games as a whole when it comes to playing a job. There are a number of examples ranging from RDM being better than WHM at low levels, only to be passed up by a ton in the end, or how MP is a problem at lower levels, while at high levels mages have so much refresh they can hit upward of 10MP/Tick.

[Arcon]

I don't know about you, but I do kinda miss grinding jobs up to 75, playing my job, and learning how to play. It was repetitive and infuriating at times, but it reinforced the use of the job and n00bs, though they still existed, were hard to create.

If you need to whack ten thousand crabs to learn how to play the game, you're not the sharpest tool in the shed. Then you'll still need to do hundreds of endgame fights to actually be worth a damn in any events.

And Arcon, you can't comment! Just kidding feel free to connect this to my job as a bst as you wish. :-D

I actually find it a bit contradictory that a BST wants old EXP back, because for a BST that usually means sit in a corner and don't get invited at all, so you have to start claim wars over other EXP parties.

[Caketime]

With all the talk of gear checks and item levels and WoW references in this thread I almost thought I was reading the Blizz forums. The only thing it's really missing are the random shitposts. Wait no, this is one of those. Hmm.

[Miiyo]

Took me close to a year to level my whm prior to abyssea. I was never going to level another job because the process was horrendous. You say you miss grinding but you left out the waiting and shouting for FIVE people to join you to do this grinding. It's okay that you're an M, but don't blame abyssea for your problems in finding likeminded M's to go do exactly what you miss. Grinding. It's still there. Go grind to your heart's content!!

When i was level one, i cast my cure spell. I understood that it gave me health. I didn't need tons of parties to figure that out. There are very few things in this game you shouldn't be able to figure out from just reading the description. Comprehension and "skill" in this game do not come by the amount of time it takes to level up. MOST of you whining over gimp players estimate yourselves in the first place. Alot of people whine as well on my server, about under-skilled players yet my own ls is the only NA ls able to successfully do legion.

But... why does another player's gimpness or lack of, really matter? If the server was the opposite of what you said, full of l33t assholes, everyone would be done with the game in half a year.

If we change the way the xp is attained via your suggestion, if you were in a party with me or any decent+ blm, you'd not get much mp unless you go kill outside of my aga/ja range.

[Demon6324236]

Blinkers were an example of things that were amazing for people while here, but if people missed it then they got screwed. In this case with xp it would be the same, those here while Abyssea allowed amazing leveling would be lucky, and after the change that nerfed it, people would be screwed.