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  1. #41
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    The "casting time" of using a potion/ether, and the period afterwards where you can't do anything but auto-attack would make them ineffective for carrying stacks for the purpose of replacing a whm. Find yourself at 300 hp and wanna pop something that gives half your hp back, fine, but if every did did this every time on virtually any relevant nm (anything in even Skirmish), the fights would be much longer.

    As most nm's become more and more resistant to stun, and there's usually a hard-limit on how long you can fight, no ls would want their DDs spamming meds. DDs don't go through stacks of remedies to get rid of slow, even with as busy as the wm might be.

    And besides, to say that more useful potions is more important than stacking is ignoring the fact that a lot of players carry obscene amounts of gear around for their job. I usually ahve 3-4 stacks of echos and remedies in accessible inv, but I keep 2 stacks of each in my main inventory on my pld.

    Stacking to 99 would give me 4 more inventory spaces and a common place to put them.

    Lastly, on most servers, you're silly to buy echos/remedies off the AH (sorry alchemists ) there's usually a vendor conveniently located that sells for cheaper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamph View Post
    I'd love that... I'd be able to sell */em does math* 7 stacks of 99 (693) instead of 7 stacks of 12 (84) at once. That would increase my profits, or I'd be able to have other things up at the same time.

    It's the same reasoning behind letting clusters stack up to 12s (although it would be great if they could stack to 99... CRYSTALRIFIC!), or if they decided to let you stack logs of other synthing mats...
    That would work if people bought those stacks of 99 at the same rate as buying stacks of 12. However, look at ninja tools. Inoshishinofuda for all elemental, Shikanofuda for Self-Enhancing, and Chonofuda for Foe-Enfeebling have high price value but barely sell often.

    Some people can't even afford to buy stack of 12 dark or light clusters or don't even find the need to buy that many.

    Raising the cap might provide convenience, but could also have negative effects such as not finding the need to buy things often when purchasing a stack of 99 could last a person longer. I'm guilty of this by buying 12 stacks of 99 Shihei which I haven't bought more in about a month because i still have a few stacks left over.

    Would you like to keep putting up the same item in AH until someone buys it? Ive tried reselling some of my ninja tools Inoshishinofuda and Shikanofuda after retiring ninja only to still find it returning to my mog house after no one buying them.

    Items like geodes were sold for an outrageously higher price all because it took longer to make stacks of 99 therefore you are paying the person extra who is selling that item due to convenience 99 vs 12.

    Same thing will happen if SE allows items like silent oil and prism powder stack to 99. Like I said it may be great for some but also need to think about it from a crafters point of view.

    There's enough evidence in AH to show you the outcome of what will happen if SE made everything stack to 99.

    Things like ether, potions, remedy wouldn't matter because they can be bought from NPCs. But crafting items that require people to farm is different.
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  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    That would work if people bought those stacks of 99 at the same rate as buying stacks of 12. However, look at ninja tools. Inoshishinofuda for all elemental, Shikanofuda for Self-Enhancing, and Chonofuda for Foe-Enfeebling have high price value but barely sell often.
    You mean the ninja tools that can be bought from the npc for lower than the AH price? Yep... I'd be insane to go buy them from the NPC to save a couple gil, rather than buy the inflated AH prices.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    Some people can't even afford to buy stack of 12 dark or light clusters or don't even find the need to buy that many.
    I'll give you that, I'm not saying that everything *should* stack to 99. It would be great if they *could*. It would also be great if the AH let you sell singles, stacks of 12, stacks of 99, stacks of (oh, you need this many geodes for a trial?).

    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    Raising the cap might provide convenience, but could also have negative effects such as not finding the need to buy things often when purchasing a stack of 99 could last a person longer. I'm guilty of this by buying 12 stacks of 99 Shihei which I haven't bought more in about a month because i still have a few stacks left over.
    But the same amount of tools are going to be used... If I average using a stack of silent pots on a dyna run, and I plan on doing 7 dyna runs, I'm going to need ~84 silent pots. I could buy all those pots at once, or 12 a day, but I'll still be buying the same amount. It will go a bit slower, but they *will* sell at the same rate as it is now. (aka, if 7 stacks of 12 sell a day, about 1 will sell a day now)

    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    Would you like to keep putting up the same item in AH until someone buys it? Ive tried reselling some of my ninja tools Inoshishinofuda and Shikanofuda after retiring ninja only to still find it returning to my mog house after no one buying them.
    If it's not selling, it goes in my bazaar. People will buy them. Look at the high-priced items (10mil or more) that sell very slowly. Why would I put them up on the AH? I'd put them in My bazaar and shout for them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    Same thing will happen if SE allows items like silent oil and prism powder stack to 99. Like I said it may be great for some but also need to think about it from a crafters point of view.
    I craft, I used my point of view, I'm not sure how that's not a crafter's point of view. I should poll them and ask them what they all think. Every crafter on every server...

    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    There's enough evidence in AH to show you the outcome of what will happen if SE made everything stack to 99.
    Didn't say that everything *should* stack to 99. Even if they made everything that couldn't stack into stacks of 12: they could be sold singles (like they are now), or in stacks. I still see single crystal clusters up, and stacks of clusters up. I even see single crystals up. And before you say that they crystals jumped in price because they could be stacked to 12, I think that the price jump was probably caused by the waypoint "currency."

    Also, I did take some time off recently (like a year or two inbetween when the third abby expansion finished and last August), and didn't start playing until a year before WotG. I'm not sure what stuff changed with stacks and whatnot besides the crystal clusters.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    Things like ether, potions, remedy wouldn't matter because they can be bought from NPCs. But crafting items that require people to farm is different.
    Things that can be bought from the npcs... like... universal ninja tools?... (ok, that was a little bit of a dig)

    Crafting items that would be game breaking if they stacked to 12 (but would probably make crafters' and farmers' lives easier):
    Ore.
    Logs.
    Iron Sand
    etc..
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  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by OmnysValefor View Post
    Title says it all. I love coming prepared and I hate asking for sneak, but I'd be lying if I said I've never run out of a med mid-event, or worse, didn't bring them at all. A stack of 99 echos would never leave my inventory, and would be easy to replenish. Same for oils and powders.
    I'll back this... right after my jugs and pet foods stack to 99.
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