If I were SE I might use this for things that didnt really matter. No way would I put the game servers in or on anything that wasnt sitting right in front of me where I can control who has access.
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03-22-2011 10:00 PM #1Player
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03-22-2011 10:11 PM #2I can't see Cloud having any purpose for SE. I do not think a site like Amazon or anyone would allow them to use up all that space & effectively using their bandwidth up. Now even though they had to shutdown their servers & it has made a lot of us to question why they have never had a backup plan for such an incident.
I can not see something of this magnitude happening for a really long time. So if SE were to just take their chances & not change anything (by not having back up server or anything) they would save a lot more money in the long run if this were to happen in say 10 years (god I hope not for Japan's sake not the game)(0)NightDagger
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03-22-2011 10:26 PM #3Yeah... it kind of reminds me of the big debate over disk-to-disk backups vs. tape backups. 500/TB or 1500/TB cost analysis would scare the hell out of the bean counters. But, then you showed them how easy it was to screw up a tape...then they jumped on board with the disks. But, I doubt the cost gap is that close with the massive operations they are dealing with at SE.
I looked at that infineta system last week during the debates over this issue. The techs were talking about replacing hardware at costs up to 400k a pop for some setups just to reduce that latency on synchronization. Probly better for them to just nix access for a couple weeks and eat the losses in subscription fees then forking out 250k+ a pop X who knows how many sets to get low-latency redundancy going.(0){DISCLAIMER} Posts may contain opinions based on personal experiences that are not be meant to be taken as facts. What may appear as fact with no source reference may be recollection of information with no source, and may be subject to scrutiny without source reference. Any debate over validity of said facts without source references may be considered conjecture of all parties in that debate. Player comments may not be the expressed position/consent of SE, their affiliates, or any employees of said organizations. Please take these posts with a grain of salt if you are offended by the views of the player and understand that opinions are like assholes... everyone has one, not everyone wants to hear it.
03-22-2011 10:28 PM #4Player
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I wouldn't have the data spread around different servers cloud style, but virtualized cloud style private networks for SE might work. . It would work something like a raid setup. Put one virtual server in Japan that is basically the equivalent of what it takes to run the game (big servers like this do exist). Then put two others in place that run with it in two different parts of the world and if one goes down the other takes over. The involment of cloud in this plan allows for a few things:
-Less servers pulling electricity
-Servers in 3 different countries would work as I'd they were in the same network.
The downsides would be longer maintenance and God knows what other problems might occur when running an mmo on cloud.(0)I'm back! Returning after 4 years of inactivity.
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03-22-2011 10:33 PM #5yeah... the latency would likely still eat them up--even if they could afford dark fiber between them. When you are able to stream large chunks you can afford to use different tricks with the checksum tracking to reduce latency, but with all the tiny packets of data flying back and fourth to all the clients...might wind up with a lot of dirty data. meh.
SE has their reasons for what they do...sure they had a team do a big analysis on it already. But, with all the advancements in technology and software it may be time to do another one.
Anywho... any good news on the Japan front? See they've been on blackouts since I logged off last night.(0){DISCLAIMER} Posts may contain opinions based on personal experiences that are not be meant to be taken as facts. What may appear as fact with no source reference may be recollection of information with no source, and may be subject to scrutiny without source reference. Any debate over validity of said facts without source references may be considered conjecture of all parties in that debate. Player comments may not be the expressed position/consent of SE, their affiliates, or any employees of said organizations. Please take these posts with a grain of salt if you are offended by the views of the player and understand that opinions are like assholes... everyone has one, not everyone wants to hear it.
03-22-2011 10:49 PM #6From JapanTimes article via twitter link:
Sounds like they made a lot of progress last night/yesterday. YAY!External power was connected to the No. 4 reactor in the morning, making it the fifth of the plant's six reactors to have vital power restored so that key equipment can be restarted, including ventilation systems to filter radioactive substances from the air and measuring gauges in the control room.
Only the No. 3 reactor remains unconnected to an external power source, but even at the other reactors workers need to check the condition of each piece of equipment before feeding the power in, the nuclear safety agency said.
Tepco hopes to restore the power systems to revive key equipment, including data measuring devices, and functions by Wednesday for the No. 1 and 2 reactors and by Thursday for the No. 3 and 4 reactors, Hidehiko Nishiyama, a spokesman for the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, told a news conference.(0){DISCLAIMER} Posts may contain opinions based on personal experiences that are not be meant to be taken as facts. What may appear as fact with no source reference may be recollection of information with no source, and may be subject to scrutiny without source reference. Any debate over validity of said facts without source references may be considered conjecture of all parties in that debate. Player comments may not be the expressed position/consent of SE, their affiliates, or any employees of said organizations. Please take these posts with a grain of salt if you are offended by the views of the player and understand that opinions are like assholes... everyone has one, not everyone wants to hear it.
03-22-2011 10:57 PM #7the guys at fleep.com have put a lot of work into compiling/graphing a lot of data on radiation levels and earthquake readings for the last week or so. This has turned into an ongoing project that they update with each new batch of data, and they are announcing when they apply newly released data via the twitter feeds (links to their feeds on the page, but they also tweet at tokyopost and japantimes as well I think). They've added weather forecasts to the page as well. Might want to bookmark it for future reference:
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03-22-2011 10:44 PM #8This mornigns radiation levels showing mixed results. Outlying areas are showing both increases and decreases, but no big spikes for the most part. Must be due to weather changes, as changes are slight for most of them. But Ibaraki pref. went up a good bit--about 10% to break the 1200 mark again. They just can't catch a break.
People getting a little spooked about the spread of the radiation reaching previously assumed "safe" regions. Even getting elevations in Tokyo now--broke 100 there already, and it's been below 50 for the longest time.(0){DISCLAIMER} Posts may contain opinions based on personal experiences that are not be meant to be taken as facts. What may appear as fact with no source reference may be recollection of information with no source, and may be subject to scrutiny without source reference. Any debate over validity of said facts without source references may be considered conjecture of all parties in that debate. Player comments may not be the expressed position/consent of SE, their affiliates, or any employees of said organizations. Please take these posts with a grain of salt if you are offended by the views of the player and understand that opinions are like assholes... everyone has one, not everyone wants to hear it.
03-22-2011 11:17 PM #9Player
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I'm still worried about a long term strategy, or lack thereof. A lot of effort is being put towards making the essentials up and running but what are they doing for the long haul? What's going to happen to all the people left without homes?
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03-22-2011 11:21 PM #10Think I saw some mentioning suspension of completion on the new site until they reviewed it for compliance with safety/quake/tsunami regulations and such in light of recent events.
Originally Posted by Deadlyscorpion
There was also a short story on NHK the other day about a company specializing in modular homes coming up with a design for replacement housing. Awaiting approval on a new system they have put together. It's kind of like pre-fabbed duplex apartment structures they can put up quickly.
Nothing more than a short news reel that one day, no more mention of it since.(0)Last edited by RAIST; 03-22-2011 at 11:23 PM.
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