Mandau Vs Twashtar

[Ncr]

I tried looking for a forum that was already open but i could not find one.

I have been talking to my friends about which is better Mandau or Twashtar. There where pro and cons for both but we did not come up with a clear winner. I was just wondering, what do you guys think is the better dagger?

[Malthar]

Mandau. End thread.

[Babekeke]

Twashtar is good if you like to play DNC competitively too. Otherwise, Mandau.

[Elphy]

Mandau if you are purely thf

Twashtar if you play both thf and dnc or are purely dnc

Mandau for your thf and Twashtar for your dnc if you have the time and resources

pair up either one with a str thokcha and your golden, and if you do get both do not dual wield mandau/twashtar, you may think its better, but its not

[Calamity]

Mandau if you are purely thf

Twashtar if you play both thf and dnc or are purely dnc

Mandau for your thf and Twashtar for your dnc if you have the time and resources

pair up either one with a str thokcha and your golden, and if you do get both do not dual wield mandau/twashtar, you may think its better, but its not

Not completely true. If you take the twashtar to 99, it can beat str thokcha, but not enough to make it worth the investment unless you have already made it.

[Yenecol]

I do not think it is as simple as people make it out to be. I went with a mandau thief friend to try out our numbers on some trolls. I was consistently outdamaging his mercy stroke with my rudra's storm by about 1k each time. Perhaps part of the difference is that I off-hand a TP bonus magian dagger and only go when I have 200tp. MS from my understanding gets no damage bonus from more TP.

I would say if your playstyle is to WS as soon as you hit 100, mandau is for you. However, if you like the idea of more consistent one-hit damage, Twashtar should not be ignored.

[Arcon]

I would say if your playstyle is to WS as soon as you hit 100, mandau is for you. However, if you like the idea of more consistent one-hit damage, Twashtar should not be ignored.

It makes no sense to save TP to more than 100% purposefully, unless it's for the beginning of a hard zerg (for which THF will not matter much). Rudra's at 200% TP with a TP Bonus offhand means 300% for every WS, which means 5.25 fTP instead of 4.25 fTP at 100% with the same offhand. However, it takes you twice as long to get to 200% as 100%, meaning you can do 2x 4.25 fTP WS or 1x 5.25 fTP WS, the first option being almost twice as good. The discrepancy gets even worse with a TP Bonus offhand. The only upside is the 40% ODD rate compared to the 30% ODD rate, but that still doesn't make up for the loss.

Also, your numbers mean very little. Was SA/TA used? What was your gear and which buffs did you have on?? What level for both weapons? What was the sample size and on which mobs? None of that really matters, though, as we have the math available. You can calculate which would be the best dagger for you without having to rely on unqualified anecdotes.

[Yenecol]

You can calculate which would be the best dagger for you without having to rely on unqualified anecdotes.

Meh, my unqualified anecdote served its purpose. Prior to my post, this was a dead thread with no real info on it. I knew that, if I posted about how a guy with the almighty mandau got frustrated because his mercy stroke he could not beat my rudra's storm, the math people would crawl out of the woodwork.

But just to sate your curiosity, we had no buffs on, we were fighting troll paladins in bhaflau thickets (the ones in front of the cave/zone on the way toward the tower with the colibris people used to level on so long ago) and we were stacking with sneak attack. I am pretty sure he had 95 mandau. My twashtar is 90. I was surprised that the difference was great enough to be eyeballed. This was not a serious test, I just wanted to see what I could look forward to since I am working towards a mandau.

Why would I save my TP to 200? Because Rudra's storm is crap unless it is stacked and by the time sneak or trick are ready to go again, I usually have 200+ thanks to a healthy amount of triple attack gear. Spamming every time I hit 100 would mean having to go unstacked (which means I would use another WS altogether). Besides, as other people pointed out, rudra's aftermath is great.

[Arcon]

Why would I save my TP to 200? Because Rudra's storm is crap unless it is stacked and by the time sneak or trick are ready to go again, I usually have 200+ thanks to a healthy amount of triple attack gear. Spamming every time I hit 100 would mean having to go unstacked (which means I would use another WS altogether).

Precisely, use another WS when SA/TA aren't up.

[Meril]

I rarely ever post but wth, so, I want to make this as simple as possible, cause I dont even bother to read posts that are muliple paragraphs long, I have a 99 Twashtar, use TP bonus Centovente, and WS at 125% cause I have 25 TP earring, basicly going for 250 TP WS. However, thats only for stacking lol. IDK why ppl would even be comparing non stacked #s... if you have a 99 Twash or Mandau you wouldnt have Extenterator merited?