Abyssea Update

[Demon6324236]

Seals can be soloed by a number of jobs, Emps can be soloed by a number of jobs or done with a linkshell which is not hard to get, +2s can be gotten the same way as Emps, because you can tag along with Emp groups. Thats not to say I do not want some form of improvement to Abyssea, I do, however in all reality its not hard as it is anyways.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

Seals can be soloed by a number of jobs

And that number isn't 20.

[Mayoyama]

Seals/Emps/+2s can be soloed by a number of jobs

Too bad if you dont have any of those jobs... and if you have the gear/jobs to be able to solo emps, chances are you already have at least +1 AF3 anyway....

[Demon6324236]

Too bad if you dont have any of those jobs... and if you have the gear/jobs to be able to solo emps, chances are you already have at least +1 AF3 anyway....

Please note that I may have read this the wrong way before reading my reply.

If you do not have +1 gear you are not worthy of an Emp, nor a Relic. I have seen more than enough jobs as of late where people have Relics or Emps and are wearing +1, Perle, 75 gear, or have uncapped skills. I believe an Emp or Relic should be earned, not given away. Before you take that the wrong way, let me say I am happy with the weapons as they are, or becoming a bit more workable. However, I do not think you should be able to get a Masamune for your SAM when your running around in Perle, nor +1, some amount of work and effort should be put into the job itself before I think you should wield one of those weapons. My RDM as an example was very well geared before I ever thought to start my Excalibur, let alone finish it, the same can be said for my Almace. It is because I felt I was not deserving of those weapons until I had the gear to match up to their level.

Saying you should be able to solo Emps with a non-AF3+1 job to me is sad, and stupid. If you want to get them, there are some easily accessible things you can do for gear which will speed you on your way as well. For NIN, seals are easy all except body, body is easily replaced with AF1 body which if you can not solo by level 99, go back to the deserving part of this post. Dyna wins are not to bad to get to Xarca, except for Beau, that win is something you can shout for quite easily and should not have to hard of a time getting help with, if nothing else, find a few BST friends and you will be fine. With Emp+1/2 head, AF body, Relic+2 hands, Relic+2 legs, and Emp+1/2 feet, as well as /DNC, and a few easy to obtain items like Brutal, Suppa, Rajas, and then a few harder pieces such as Twilight Belt and Atheling.

All in all you have yourself a good NIN build right there. Standard TP set, can put a few EVA pieces in if need be, but that alone can solo quite a few Abyssea NMs, most seal NMs and some +2/Emp NMs. Some of course will still be out of reach, but not many, and in most cases for Seals and +2s there are alternatives.

As I said in my previous post, I am not against making Abyssea more accessible, yet you both reacted as if I were. I am fine with Abyssea how it is, and at the same time would not mind a change as I find it getting more boring as time passes. My entire point was that it is possible, and if they do not change it, or until they do, it is good to expand your options so that you are able to do it as well.

And that number isn't 20.

Which brings me to this post, there are 20 jobs in the game for a reason, you were never meant to play only a single job. Yes, it is possible, I know there is a DRK on my server which has only DRK leveled past subjob levels, while everything else is level 49. Is its possible? Yes, very, however it is not smart nor how I believe the game was intended. If you do so, its your choice, but to complain about the consequences of that choice is foolish when you are the one who made it, and can easily change it, its not as though the ability to play other jobs was lost when you made that choice in your mind.

There are options to get around these problems, simply choose to take them. I believe a system to get procs without actually having the jobs would be nice, it would help a lot of people with Abyssea stuff who do not want to bring others with them for it. I myself want to get an Ukon for WAR, however I solo Abyssea content on my RDM, which has little red procs, making it almost a complete waste of time to try doing it. If I could trade something to the NM or ??? that would auto-proc it, I would be very happy, however I honestly do not expect them to do anything with it because they think of Abyssea as finished content.

I wish not to anger, simply to help, and share my point of view, if you want to take what I am saying as though I do not want this to happen then so be it however you are wrong and read my words differently than I intend them.



I would like to ask a question however of the OP, you want to trade cells to the ??? to force a proc, however there are many time spawn NMs, how would those be dealt with seeing as you can not trade items to mobs?

[Carth]

I'm not talking about having every job at 99 (Though some people do). I only have 3 jobs at cap myself. My point is that unlocking / leveling other jobs is part of the game as well. I have never understood the obsession some people have with trying to burn through the game to get to endgame. Then they get burnt out and quit or get frustrated because they can't get what they want.

They "burn through it" because anything pre-abyssea is a barren wasteland and not worth your time. Level 99 has all the content.

Abyssea isn't hard either. Though I will admit it becomes a chore when you don't have a proc buddy. The lack of Red Procs is the reason why I haven't got Almace yet.

[Ladycandygem]

I would like to ask a question however of the OP, you want to trade cells to the ??? to force a proc, however there are many time spawn NMs, how would those be dealt with seeing as you can not trade items to mobs?

There are fights where you can use items on a monster, such as anima in the promy fights.

However, the problem with removing the need to proc and making things easier to obtain is that it will make more people want to get them. This means that timed spawned NMs will be even more camped than they are now, and people might be camping ??? repops for forced pop NMs.

So, while it would be great to remove the need to go to Abyssea on a few selected proc jobs, I think it would also be important to make all timed pop NMs into force spawned. And maybe add extra sets of ???s for popular NMs.

[Demon6324236]

There are fights where you can use items on a monster, such as anima in the promy fights.

I agree with the rest of your post, however this is something a bit different with these items. Anima and the like are usable items, the suggestion is that Rubi be used for the effect, and other VW like cells. They would either need to change the type of item so that it is a use item, or they would need to make a way to trade the item to the NM. I doubt SE could make the item work both ways as I know of no other item that does, but if it exists then please correct me. That is the only real problem I saw with the whole idea though, the idea of making cruor and cells useful for it is wonderful, and forcing procs using them would be cool, if nothing else a new form of cell just for Abyssea which would be an usable item like Anima would be great as well, because it would work the same way, and upon using it, it could just proc the NM. They would need a high cost though otherwise you could proc lock any NM of your choice very easily, making it just as easy as a brew really, so I am unsure exactly how that would be balanced.

[Solonuke]

Even if you can solo +1/+2 seals you still want to have at least a BLM in your party because of procs. Procs are probably the most boring thing with Abyssea.

[Earwig]

Remove the "Ex" tag from seals. Problem solved.
EDIT: Also, make the "???" reappear for force-pop nms one minute after the nm spawns, not after it dies. This will fix the annoying issue of waiting for slow parties.

[Slaxx]

Are we really having a conversation about making abyssea easier? Really?