Geo/RFN Details? Can has plz?

[hideka]

I am feeling a bit worried about the sheer lack of information regarding these jobs given that the expansion is nearly here. will we be given an opportunity to "test" these jobs on the test server prior to the expansion launching? i mainly ask this, because what SE thinks the player base wants, and what the player base actually wants, 9/10, are two completely different things... im not too worried about RFN right now, you can only mess up a DPS so badly. I'm Primarily worried about Geomancer... i have the horrible feeling that SE is going to pull a massive cop-out and basically make Geomancer into BLM V1.5 (kind of like how scholar was RDM 2.0).

Geomancer has a strong history of being a NON-MP Based class, Using Hand axes/1Handed swords, and Instant cast Low-Medium Elemental damage that carried an enfeeble, and wearing cloth/leather/light armors.

Geomancer has been an age old favorite class of mine ever since i played FF Tactics on the PSX, and it has been time and time again my number one wish for an expansion job in FF11. I wholeheartedly wish that the GEO that is coming out will live up to my expectations.

Would anyone from the community team mind taking a moment to comment on this thread to abate my fears a bit?

[Alhanelem]

what are you worried about? Is the fact that we haven't been flooded with news supposed to mean that these jobs are going to automatically suck?

You can't really use the "history' of any job to predict how it will work in FFXI, as many FFXI jobs differ quite a lot from previous games e.g. WHM and RDM getting certain spells normally associated with time mage.

Geomancers used MP in Tactics Advance 2, anyway, so to say they historically aren't MP mages isn't entirely accurate. Since they cast spells and aren't ninjas, odds are they'll use MP here as well.

[Antanias]

I wouldn't mind a video showcasing those two jobs in action tbh.

[Alhanelem]

I wouldn't mind a video showcasing those two jobs in action tbh.

Aye. So would I, I'm just not "worried."

[Sotek]

I've said it before, but the test server seems like it was made for expansions. Sad to see that they've not bothered at all, guess seeing the work going into ARRs launch got my hopes up. Seeing the jobs on the test server last year would have been great, even if they were a flawed mess like SCH originally was, at least they wouldn't be like that at launch and there might be something worth buying in March, maybe there still will be but I'll believe it when I see it.

[Sp1cyryan]

The expansion is about 76 days out. Have to wait until at least 69 days. :P

I've said it before, but the test server seems like it was made for expansions. Sad to see that they've not bothered at all, guess seeing the work going into ARRs launch got my hopes up. Seeing the jobs on the test server last year would have been great, even if they were a flawed mess like SCH originally was, at least they wouldn't be like that at launch and there might be something worth buying in March, maybe there still will be but I'll believe it when I see it.

There is an element of suspense any company maintains as to keep hype and initial sales up for their product. The test server will do its job after Adoulin is released.

ARR will never match up to the legacy of XI. Despite the widespread optimism about the game (not saying there shouldn't be) if 14 doesn't see success despite this it will go down as one of the biggest laughing stocks in gaming right next to Duke Nukem Forever. It already will always be known for its poor launch.

[hideka]

what are you worried about? Is the fact that we haven't been flooded with news supposed to mean that these jobs are going to automatically suck?

You can't really use the "history' of any job to predict how it will work in FFXI, as many FFXI jobs differ quite a lot from previous games e.g. WHM and RDM getting certain spells normally associated with time mage.

Geomancers used MP in Tactics Advance 2, anyway, so to say they historically aren't MP mages isn't entirely accurate. Since they cast spells and aren't ninjas, odds are they'll use MP here as well.

i don't weight any class judgement on FFTA2. it was a fun game, but it tried too hard to be different IMO.... " lets not call the kimono wearing katana wielding unit a samurai this time, even tho its abilities are practically cut and pasted from FFT.... lets call it a Parivir!" oh and dont even get me started on "green mage" trying WAYYYYYY too hard there.

i didnt say that they were going to suck either, just that i was worried that SE was going to muck it up or pull a BLM Clone Cop-out.

spells native to time mage?
History of Haste (in order of apperance):
FF1 - BLM
FF2 - BLM
FF3 - WHM
FF4 - WHM (AKA Fast if you played SNES)
FF5 - Time Mage
FF6 - No mage, learned through espers
FF7 - No Mage, learned through materia
FFT - Time Mage
FF8 - No mage - Learned via draw
FF9 - WHM/SMN
FF10 - White magic spell on tituses grid
FFTA - Time mage - Templar
FF11 - WHM RDM

Slow
FF1 - BLM
FF2 - WHM
FF3 - N/A
FF4 - WHM
FF5 - Time Mage
FF6 - No mage, learned through espers
FF7 - No Mage, learned through materia
FFT - Time Mage
FF8 - No mage - Learned via draw
FF9 - BLM
FF10 - White magic spell on tituses grid
FFTA - Time mage - Templar
FF11 - WHM RDM

as you can see, time mage has never really held dominion over anything other than i think Demi, Quartr, and Xzone....

[nyheen]

would be more fun and better if we just wait for the exp pack to find that out on our own. we already got some info with geo/rfn before. having it on the test server would kinda kill the fun. it would be like giving out too much info on a new movie/game before it even come out. also since almost everyone able to jump on the test server. if we was able to test jobs now or exp pack most people may not buy it on release day.

[Alhanelem]

I've said it before, but the test server seems like it was made for expansions. Sad to see that they've not bothered at all, guess seeing the work going into ARRs launch got my hopes up. Seeing the jobs on the test server last year would have been great, even if they were a flawed mess like SCH originally was, at least they wouldn't be like that at launch and there might be something worth buying in March, maybe there still will be but I'll believe it when I see it.

Well, mister negativity, there is still a ways to go before launch. Give it a few more weeks before we go all rage mode on SE mmk?

as you can see, time mage has never really held dominion over anything other than i think Demi, Quartr, and Xzone....

every game which had time mage, had these spells on time mage (but the fact that every game that has not had time mage and has a job system has these spells on whige mage, as does XI, it really annoys me when people ask for time mage, because other mages already have spells that time mage would/should get)

saying "FFTA2 tried to hard to be different" doesn't invalidate its existence either. It "counts" just as much as every other FF sidegame.

[Sotek]

There is an element of suspense any company maintains as to keep hype and initial sales up for their product. The test server will do its job after Adoulin is released.

I'm fairly certain they can put the jobs on the test server without destroying any suspense for the expansion, in fact it would probably boost the suspense. If they show how much work they're putting into the jobs it would only raise expectations for the expansion as a whole. If the jobs aren't half bad pre-launch, maybe they've finally figured out how to release expansions.

Instead I'm left expecting another hollow shell of an expansion which they'll fill in over the next two years with another two jobs which they aim to finish designing several months after launch. I'll gladly be wrong and SoA can be the damned most amazing expansion ever, but so far I'm not seeing any hype beyond "Oh my God, new zones I wont use because Abyssea is a thing". Granted, this is all just my opinion, but I'm pretty sure SE should give more of a damn about my opinion than that of the hardcore XI addicts out there. I'm a potential customer after all, not someone who bought the expansion at the Vanafest.

Well, mister negativity, there is still a ways to go before launch. Give it a few more weeks before we go all rage mode on SE mmk?

Interesting definition of the word rage.

Granted, this is the NA forums so nothing said here means squat to the developers, but if I'm complaining that at launch, there isn't enough content and jobs aren't finished to a reasonable standard, then it's better to complain sooner rather than later, so you know, they can fix it. Putting the jobs on the test server is by far the best way they can make them successful at launch, I'm not going to wait until March to start complaining about the substandard level SoA is launched at, because come March I simply wont give a flying fuck about XI anymore, unless they manage to absolutely amaze me. Now, I'd really like them to amaze me here, but in their ten year venture into the MMO market, I don't think SE has ever managed to release something in a particularly good fashion. Abyssea is the one exception to that, but that was a mistake, apparently.

Honestly, I don't understand why anybody is against GEO/RNF being beta'd on the test server. I know SCHEmbrava is nice and all now, but at launch it was an abysmal waste of space which took months for them to bring up to a worthwhile standard. If GEO/RNF have any chance of being released in that state (I'm sure a pure magic tank will do fine though), I cannot understand why anyone wouldn't want them to start the process of fixing them sooner rather than later.