TH activation rumour

[Babekeke]

Everyone I speak to keeps saying how they've heard that you have to get a TH proc, or there is no TH on it. Anyone have any idea where this rumour came from? or is it just a case of the stupid POIDH attitude, so people don't believe that there's any TH on a mob if they don't see it with their own eyes?

Personally I have my hands and feet in my pull macro so I hit (or miss) with ranged attack, then swap out my TH gear, and obviously each proc thereafter is always 7 (no knife/atma/kupower), 8 (1 of knife/atma/kupower) or 9 (knife and either atma or kupower), even though the TH gear is not equipped.

The other thing I hear is that if you have multiple THFs, 1 wearing TH7, the others not, if the other THFs get first proc it can be less than 7. The way I understand TH to work, this can't happen. Thoughts?

[Byrth]

No, they're dumb.

Here are some rumors about TH that are unfortunately more likely to be accurate:
1) TH can only activate on the first hit of an attack round.
2) The odds of TH proccing are proportional to your current TH level (in gear/traits) and the next TH level. So someone with TH7 in gear will upgrade to TH8 at approximately the same rate that someone with TH4 in gear will upgrade to TH5.
3) The upgrade rate decreases as you get to a higher and higher TH level. So someone with TH4 in gear will have a harder time going from TH5 to TH6 than from TH4 to TH5.

1+2+3) In order to have the maximum upgrade rate, you need to TP in TH gear singlewielding TK.

I prefer your rumors to mine, unfortunately. GL Thieves!

[Babekeke]

1+2+3) In order to have the maximum upgrade rate, you need to TP in TH gear singlewielding TK.

This is not good news >.>

Alternatively TPing in a 150 delay dagger and shield would also increase chances, since you'll get more attack rounds.

[SpankWustler]

1+2+3) In order to have the maximum upgrade rate, you need to TP in TH gear singlewielding TK.

This also unlocks a special animation. Rather than stabbing the monster, one's character will furiously flail on it with balled hands while screaming "Why, God?! Why is this?! WHY?!" over and over. After defeating each monster, the character will fall to his or her knees and howl obscenities at an indifferent sky.

On the bright side, much like taking comfort in nihilism while setting someone's car on fire, it's comforting to know that Treasure Hunter upgrades have almost no effect.

[hiko]

No, they're dumb.

Here are some rumors about TH that are unfortunately more likely to be accurate:
1) TH can only activate on the first hit of an attack round.
2) The odds of TH proccing are proportional to your current TH level (in gear/traits) and the next TH level. So someone with TH7 in gear will upgrade to TH8 at approximately the same rate that someone with TH4 in gear will upgrade to TH5.
3) The upgrade rate decreases as you get to a higher and higher TH level. So someone with TH4 in gear will have a harder time going from TH5 to TH6 than from TH4 to TH5.

1+2+3) In order to have the maximum upgrade rate, you need to TP in TH gear singlewielding TK.

I prefer your rumors to mine, unfortunately. GL Thieves!

4) Damage dealt with either the "Sneak Attack" or "Trick Attack" ability will have a greater likelihood of enhancing this trait.

1+2+3+4, SA TA in TH gear.(less loss than full mele)

question about SA TA TH proc bonus is: does it stack?

[Arcon]

Additional Effect proc rates are proportional to weapon delay (before Haste?), so it's unclear that your delay actually matters.

Wow, does that hold for all/most additional effects? This is my first time hearing it.

4) Damage dealt with either the "Sneak Attack" or "Trick Attack" ability will have a greater likelihood of enhancing this trait.

This is not a rumor, though. It's been confirmed by SE.

question about SA TA TH proc bonus is: does it stack?

Good question. I may do some testing for that.

[SpankWustler]

Wow, does that hold for all/most additional effects? This is my first time hearing it.

It's true for the entire line of Magian weapons with additional effects, at the very least. I think someone looking at parses from a handful of those is how such a correlation was originally discovered, actually, although I may be remembering incorrectly and that was just the first I heard of it.

The mechanic is not confirmed for every additional effect in Final Fantasy XI and there are probably some outliers such as Twilight Scythe, but it has shown up often enough to be a safe enough bet when dealing with a "sometimes" additional effect.

That's pretty much all I know. I'd like to hear more about this, too, actually.

[Babekeke]

Wow, does that hold for all/most additional effects? This is my first time hearing it.

Delay certainly has an effect on drain sambas. Less HP drained with less delay. Never really paid any attention to random proc effects though.

[CapriciousOne]

Wow, does that hold for all/most additional effects? This is my first time hearing it.

Personally I believe that is absolute bs depending on the additional effect in question. For instance weapons with white magic effects like silence and paralyze seem to proc more with increases to your MND stat and stuff like hp/mp drain seemed to proc more with increases to INT. For other effects I dont know but i highly doubt delay is a factor in any case. At least this has been my experience when using foods and equipment that boost those stats and additional effect weapons.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Personally I believe that is absolute bs depending on the additional effect in question. For instance weapons with white magic effects like silence and paralyze seem to proc more with increases to your MND stat and stuff like hp/mp drain seemed to proc more with increases to INT. For other effects I dont know but i highly doubt delay is a factor in any case. At least this has been my experience when using foods and equipment that boost those stats and additional effect weapons.

Please post your testing of this, or stop blowing hot air