The State of Tanking in FFXI

[Rustic]

And skill ratings, and job abilities, and job traits that provide exactly what a tank REALLY needs.

Exactly. Way to go at stomping RDM even further into the dirt there.

The enmity system is the linchpin of any successful way to "tank" in modern FFXI play. Until it's fixed, slapping together all that on anyone isn't going to give us a tank. It'll just give us someone who hits the cap sooner and watches their work vanish in a hail of DD.

[Chocobits]

Exactly. Way to go at stomping RDM even further into the dirt there.

The enmity system is the linchpin of any successful way to "tank" in modern FFXI play. Until it's fixed, slapping together all that on anyone isn't going to give us a tank. It'll just give us someone who hits the cap sooner and watches their work vanish in a hail of DD.

Read the thread right near this one that I started. I like the suggestions in this thread but they're mostly PLD-centric. I suggested fixes to PLD in the other thread by adjusting the numeric values for specific actions and changing some mechanics.

[zataz]

while i dont care if they fix this or not people wanted 99 so we got it u cant complain about ideas we had that they used just another example of how the inmates should not run the asylum.

[Zagen]

while i dont care if they fix this or not people wanted 99 so we got it u cant complain about ideas we had that they used just another example of how the inmates should not run the asylum.

Huh? Are you trying to say tanking worked fine at 75? If so then you're sadly mistaken it was broken then too.

[Chocobits]

Huh? Are you trying to say tanking worked fine at 75? If so then you're sadly mistaken it was broken then too.

Tanking worked fine at 75.. if you had two PLD/NIN bouncing hate and your only damage was primarily RNG and BLM, with occasional WAR/THF, SAM/THF or BLU/THF rushing in for spike damage and enmity planting (they TP'd on mobs outside of alliance). You could have a quick fight with a mob more or less planted in 1 spot. And yes, this was LOL but those of us that did it thought we were cool at the time. Memories. ^_^

[Zagen]

Tanking worked fine at 75.. if you had two PLD/NIN bouncing hate and your only damage was primarily RNG and BLM, with occasional WAR/THF, SAM/THF or BLU/THF rushing in for spike damage and enmity planting (they TP'd on mobs outside of alliance). You could have a quick fight with a mob more or less planted in 1 spot. And yes, this was LOL but those of us that did it thought we were cool at the time. Memories. ^_^

Ah I remember those days, where I thought SMN was the "best" DD because it was hate free lol. Glad they were done and gone once people learned how to buff via gear, food, and BRDs. Even before Sushi the singular tank role only existed for those who were scared, inexperienced, or attached to the concept. I can't think of a single NM/HNM from the 75 days that "required" a tank once people actually learned how to fight them and what to expect.

[Shenul]

Since everyone pretty much agrees that Cover is pretty useless currently (but a neat idea when we all first saw it), do to Cover what they did for WHMs and Divine Seal. Divine Veil makes all status removals AoE instead of single target. So why not have a Job Trait that does the same for Cover? Extended Cover could extend the range of cover to anyone on the same side of the mob as the PLD, and lowers the enmity for all of those players.

And please, just extend the duration to a minute for the base!