Ludicrous game mechanics are ludicrous

[Toadie-Odie]

Is that in today's FFXI and even the old FFXI skill gain is meaningless when we're talking about player skill which is what actually affects skillful game play.

The question isn't meant to be answered because the answers are illogical or in the OP's words ludicrous. Just in case you're curious the answer are something to the effect of: SE needed another time sink to keep players from getting to enjoy aspects of the game that actually require their skill on a player level.

I disagree. While the skills of the various combat and magic catagories do not reflect upon player skill, they are a built in enhancement/augment of the character. I don't see it as being any different than a magian trial, because you can be a bad player with an empyrean weapon just as easily as you can be a good player without one. That doesn't make the magian trials a useless stupid system.

Just because the skill up system exists, doesn't mean you have to make use of it. While Lupa made a point to skill up parry, I elected to not bother with it. If I get skill ups for it during my regular game play fine, if not that's okay by me too.

[Zagen]

I disagree. While the skills of the various combat and magic catagories do not reflect upon player skill, they are a built in enhancement/augment of the character. I don't see it as being any different than a magian trial, because you can be a bad player with an empyrean weapon just as easily as you can be a good player without one. That doesn't make the magian trials a useless stupid system.

No it doesn't make them useless when put into context. They are a time sink, they are designed to artificially extend your game play by requiring you to do X condition over and over. Just like drop rates are more time sinks.

You attached a player's skill by questioning a bot user's understanding of the game.

I would wager a person using a bot is probably more skilled when talking about player skill than a player who does it the natural way because they care about being more efficient with their use of time, which usually means they are efficient in other aspects of the game.

Just because the skill up system exists, doesn't mean you have to make use of it. While Lupa made a point to skill up parry, I elected to not bother with it. If I get skill ups for it during my regular game play fine, if not that's okay by me too.

So then do you feel your decision makes you a less skilled player than Lupa?

[Toadie-Odie]

So then do you feel your decision makes you a less skilled player than Lupa?

No, I've been saying all along that the skill number of X isn't a measurement of a player's skill. The example I used above was to demonstrate player preference in the use of and participation in the skill system.

[Alhanelem]

Because the OP wanted to start their own thread. What does it matter?

Why can't you leave your snide moderating comments to forums where that's actually your role?

Because as a forum user it's confusing when someone makes an identically-named topic on the forum and you click on it only to find out it's totally different?

I think any user would be frustrated/annoyed by that. I'm not saying this because I happen to be a moderator at some other forum, and frankly that's none of your business, so if you could kindly leave that out of this, It would be greatly appreciated.

[Zagen]

No, I've been saying all along that the skill number of X isn't a measurement of a player's skill. The example I used above was to demonstrate player preference in the use of and participation in the skill system.

Tangent examples confused your core point, I'm sorry I missed that.

Because as a forum user it's confusing when someone makes an identically-named topic on the forum and you click on it only to find out it's totally different?

I think any user would be frustrated/annoyed by that. I'm not saying this because I happen to be a moderator at some other forum, and frankly that's none of your business, so if you could kindly leave that out of this, It would be greatly appreciated.

Except you make snide moderator comments like that a lot on here. Worst of all, it wasn't even accurate, had you said the title is confusing instead of questioning the OP's decision to make a new thread about a clearly different topic, or to be very specific a sub topic of the vague title.

[Alhanelem]

Tangent examples confused your core point, I'm sorry I missed that.


Except you make snide moderator comments like that a lot on here. Worst of all, it wasn't even accurate, had you said the title is confusing instead of questioning the OP's decision to make a new thread about a clearly different topic, or to be very specific a sub topic of the vague title.

There isn't anything inaccurate about it. The topic of the thread is identical. They are completely different in the sense that one topic is mechanic A is ludicruous, the other topic is mechanic B is ludicrous. It would have been a lot better to just have one thread discussing all ludicrous mechanics rather than multiple threads with the same title talking about different mechanics.

I do not make "snide moderateor comments" often at all. But when something annoys me, I'm going to speak out about it. It has nothing to do with being a moderator on other forums and everything to do with "that shit is annoying yo, stop it."

[Alerith]

I like the skill up system.

I don't claim to be a hardcore player or an elitist, but I like the fact that it separates me from the abyssea-burned fools with no skill in the job.

[Elexia]

Except you make snide moderator comments like that a lot on here.

Except 9/10 the OP makes a topic saying some bullshit then never posts in his topic again. He does that on both FF forums.

[wildsprite]

Another one: a skillup system that means Vana'diel is littered with people botting on caster jobs and summoners for hours/days at a time running their bot scripts to cast spells to get skillups.

For a game where the Producer claims he is interested in promoting playing skill, this kind of mechanic is the completely opposite: the only skill you need to to find the right bot!

You find them outside mog houses, by the Nomad Moogles in Rabao, Selbina, etc., or pretty much anywhere they park themselves. The cast at an impossibly fast rate in perfect repeating cycles, totally impossible for someone manually playing the game without using the third-party cheat program with its never-ending macro looping mechanism .. that is if they're not using one of the many bots Google knows about.

A 'skillful' game? I don't think so.

you do know that some of us have macros and use them to skill up right? and some macro users are fairly fast so it looks like a bot, but it isn't, I use macros to skill up summoning magic, healing magic and enhancing magic, when I'm not out partying trying to gain skill by killing stuff in places like Abyssea where I skill a whole lot faster, you make it sound like everyone casting to skill up is using a bot, that simply isn't true, you say impossibly fast well, you can hit a macro very fast just as one ends, as long as your casting timer is up it will repeat just as though it is never ending

[Zhronne]

I like the skill system as well, but I too think that something has to be done about it. Since the levelling speed increased SO MUCH post abyssea, the skill system never managed to reach the new pace. It got tweaked a bit here and there, they added skillup food, but it's not nearly enough.

I like it for it to be skills, I like the fact I need to raise them myself, but it's too slow. Maybe making so skillups are never under 0.5 could be a good simplification of the system.