PS2: Seekers of Adoulin

[Demon6324236]

Thats your job, part of the point of their cheap price that people often bring up is that if you can afford the game every month for years, you should be able to afford one of those other things to play it on.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

Thats your job

If something becomes a "big deal" when your money is involved, then it's not "no big deal."

[Carth]

Buy me one.

A new PC or FFXI for the PC?

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

A new PC or FFXI for the PC?

The person I was responding to was saying new hardware was "no big deal," it sounds like new hardware.

Because everyone buying new hardware is somehow more efficient than S-E pressing some damned discs!

[Demon6324236]

If something becomes a "big deal" when your money is involved, then it's not "no big deal."

I am a console gamer and a PC gamer, every few years I am told I must toss out my console I currently own for the new one, this is coming up in the next year even, my Xbox-360 is going to be left behind for something greater so I have to upgrade. This is me spending my money on something for me, and Ill do it. Your saying to buy you, someone else, a PC or Xbox for you, not me, to play the game. This is why its a different story about involving my money. If it were me on PS2 and I was told to upgrade, I would probably do it if I wanted to keep playing the game.

I hate SE's tendency to keep certain things in Japan only, it pisses me off, off the top of my head there are FFX and X-2 which have international versions Ill never play, KH Final Mix and Final Mix+ which I desperately wanna play, and yet never will. Difference here is no one is asking you to go out and buy a JP PS2 to keep playing, and import it from another country, they are sayin go out and get a PC, something that is easy to find, and good to have around anyways, and tada, you can keep on playin. To me, it sounds like a good idea with or without this game involved, this is just extra incentive.

[Alhanelem]

I hate SE's tendency to keep certain things in Japan only,

It's japan only because there is no/minimal market for it here. It is simple business, nothing more or less. It is not worth the investment for them to make and ship 5000 or however many discs over from japan for however many remaining ps2 customers exist in the US, when the vast majority of all north american players are on the PC or xbox.

The PS2 is soon to end sales in Japan, and the PS2 is no longer sold in the US, and fat PS2s have been gone for even longer. Even if SE made it available in the US, no store would sell it. Even in Japan, the plug is soon to be pulled on the ps2 as far as sales and support. Even in Japan, they're probably lucky to be getting a disc for the PS2. Accept it, suck it up, deal with it. Times change, hardware changes. Support for any hardware or software doesnt last forever. Microsoft no longer supports windows 9x, me, 2k or 3.11, new software that works properly on really old versions of windows is rare.

It's time to move on, people. Upgrade from the PS2 or accept you're not playing the expansion. If you're too cheap to buy a used xbox, backwards compatible ps2 or a cheap PC, then I'm not sure how you're paying the subscription fee.

What you're complaining about is like complaining that music distributors don't sell audio cassettes in the US anymore. MY TAPE DECK STILL WORKS GOD DANGIT SELL ME MY HAMMERFALL ALBUM ON CASSETTE!

[Demon6324236]

It's japan only because there is no/minimal market for it here. It is simple business, nothing more or less. It is not worth the investment for them to make and ship 5000 or however many discs over from japan for however many remaining ps2 customers exist in the US, when the vast majority of all north american players are on the PC or xbox.

I understand the reasoning behind it and I also think you have attempted to explain a few times. My point in that entire part was that I understand why it would upset someone and annoy them, I have went through the same thing with SE but in this case we are not being told that NA is not getting the expansion at all, its just not on the PS2. For me to play those games I listed I would have had to get a Japan PS2 and have the game imported for me to be able to play them, I would lose anything I have done on my normal editions of those games too. In this case hes being asked to change to a different platform, keep everything he has, and he can continue playing with his normal NA stuff and setup. Thats a great deal different, especially seeing as this is a MMO where the game will last much longer than in my case.

Basically I can relate to his problem, however whats being asked of him is not unreasonable nor impossible, and I think hes complaining to much about the situation, even if I understand why it angers him.

[JackDaniels]

This is pretty much where the thread should have ended.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

It is not worth the investment for them to make and ship 5000 or however many discs over from japan

And that's why nobody outside Japan can buy soundtrack discs. Oh, wait...

Even if SE made it available in the US, no store would sell it.

One would. I note I can even buy the PS2 games advertised in the PlayOnline Viewer here.

Even in Japan, they're probably lucky to be getting a disc for the PS2.

But the Japanese version shows they can easily provide a PS2 version, if only they could be bothered to type the letters "gcc." Neither the extra cost of programming nor translation can be used as an excuse not to in this case because both have already been done. This is purely a matter of pressing data to DVD's, which is hardly some lost, ancient art in 2013.

And even if it would be more expensive per disc, that can be easily be resolved by raising the price. But we're not discussing why S-E is charging $5 more for the PS2 export, we're discussing why there is no PS2 export at all.

If you're too cheap to buy a used xbox, backwards compatible ps2 or a cheap PC, then I'm not sure how you're paying the subscription fee.

That wouldn't be your problem, would it? (And you're posting in this thread because...?) It would be Square-Enix's problem, where forcing customers into an either/or proposition risks them losing them paying customers, customers who by definition have been paying them for at least the past four years.

What you're complaining about is like complaining that music distributors don't sell audio cassettes in the US anymore.

No, we're talking about a data DVD, the medium that most software is sold on today. Windows 8 comes on DVD. WoW comes on DVD. The Xbox 360 version of Seekers of Adoulin will be on DVD. But a PS2 version on DVD, that suddenly becomes an 8-track?

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

Something else that should be noted: the Japanese price list.

Unlike the NA and EU markets, the Xbox 360 in Japan doesn't get (the equivalent of) Ultimate Collection Seekers Edition, which means that S-E isn't even bothering to try to get new FFXI players on the 360 in that market.

And yet they're still releasing Adoulin for the 360 over there as a standalone disc, to at least take care of their current 360 subscribers in Japan.

That's all anybody is asking S-E to do in North America.