Weaponskills That Need Most Refinement

[Kincard]

Last time I did Qilin I believe I averaged something like ~1200 for Blade: His. Granted, hard to get into position for Innin when the thing keeps spinning around. It's not terrible or anything, it's just not "good".

Can't say as much for Shun since I almost never use it. Generally I have no real reason to I'm sure you can imagine, heh. I end up around the same as my Hi's though, it's just that I don't get the aftermath so I don't fire it off other than to show off.

I was actually speaking more in general since I average way, way higher than that using Upheaval on my mediocre WAR, and my THF's Exenterator regularly gets pretty close even though my gear for that job isn't stellar, either. (Exenterator also doesn't have the flaw of randomly giving derp damage because of a missed first hit) If I use Rudra's Storm on my SA or TAs that definately blows Hi away since those do 2000-3000+ pretty consistently.

Blade: Shun and Blade: Hi might both be far stronger than what NIN had beforehand, but it still doesn't come close to the WSs many other jobs have, even amongst 1Hers. Victory Smite, CDC, and Mercy Stroke are all better.

They both suffer from the same problem- they use a mod that don't also increase damage "naturally". Ex: DEX on CDC will increase the crit rate, STR on Ukko's will increase with the fSTR and attack etc. AGI doesn't provide any good melee stats (lolsubtleblow) and the DEX mod would be nice if Shun was a crit WS, lol.

[Spiritreaver]

As is habit for me, breaking your post up and replying to each bit. Just helps me focus my replies.

1)Last time I did Qilin I believe I averaged something like ~1200 for Blade: His. Granted, hard to get into position for Innin when the thing keeps spinning around. It's not terrible or anything, it's just not "good".

2)Can't say as much for Shun since I almost never use it. Generally I have no real reason to I'm sure you can imagine, heh. I end up around the same as my Hi's though, it's just that I don't get the aftermath so I don't fire it off other than to show off.

3)I was actually speaking more in general since I average way, way higher than that using Upheaval on my mediocre WAR, and my THF's Exenterator regularly gets pretty close even though my gear for that job isn't stellar, either. (Exenterator also doesn't have the flaw of randomly giving derp damage because of a missed first hit) If I use Rudra's Storm on my SA or TAs that definately blows Hi away since those do 2000-3000+ pretty consistently.

Blade: Shun and Blade: Hi might both be far stronger than what NIN had beforehand, but it still doesn't come close to the WSs many other jobs have, even amongst 1Hers. Victory Smite, CDC, and Mercy Stroke are all better.

4)They both suffer from the same problem- they use a mod that don't also increase damage "naturally". Ex: DEX on CDC will increase the crit rate, STR on Ukko's will increase with the fSTR and attack etc. AGI doesn't provide any good melee stats (lolsubtleblow) and the DEX mod would be nice if Shun was a crit WS, lol.

@1- Personally i'd not use Qilin as any kind of a measuring stick, but that's just me. If you must use a VW mob, i'd go Pil or one of the Kali looking undead SAM mob.

@2- Do you have Shun 5/5? Along with specs for it(katana merits, 12/12 DEX, elemental gorger/belt, etc.)? Makes a huge difference.

@3- Fair comparisons, but you must keep perspective. The weapons you use with Upheaval and Ext. have much higher base dmg than a Katana(not going into how SA works, you are intelligent). So of course, dmg from them is going to be in a whole other league. I mean its a WS from a D50-ish weapon VS a WS from a D130-ish weapon, huge jump.

@4- Very true, while the stat mods aren't STR which would be awesome, SE gave us the ability to max out the contribution these stats up to 100%(85%) in the WS as well as giving ludicrous amounts of gear with that stat in abundance.

Now while it would be kinda cool if Shun or any of the merit WSs could crit, i'm actually happy they don't. Sure they don't spike as high as a crit hit WS can(especially in Abyssea), but they are very consistent. And they are consistent everywhere.

[Detzu]

Last time I did Qilin I believe I averaged something like ~1200 for Blade: His. Granted, hard to get into position for Innin when the thing keeps spinning around. It's not terrible or anything, it's just not "good".

Can't say as much for Shun since I almost never use it. Generally I have no real reason to I'm sure you can imagine, heh. I end up around the same as my Hi's though, it's just that I don't get the aftermath so I don't fire it off other than to show off.

I was actually speaking more in general since I average way, way higher than that using Upheaval on my mediocre WAR, and my THF's Exenterator regularly gets pretty close even though my gear for that job isn't stellar, either. (Exenterator also doesn't have the flaw of randomly giving derp damage because of a missed first hit) If I use Rudra's Storm on my SA or TAs that definately blows Hi away since those do 2000-3000+ pretty consistently.

Blade: Shun and Blade: Hi might both be far stronger than what NIN had beforehand, but it still doesn't come close to the WSs many other jobs have, even amongst 1Hers. Victory Smite, CDC, and Mercy Stroke are all better.

They both suffer from the same problem- they use a mod that don't also increase damage "naturally". Ex: DEX on CDC will increase the crit rate, STR on Ukko's will increase with the fSTR and attack etc. AGI doesn't provide any good melee stats (lolsubtleblow) and the DEX mod would be nice if Shun was a crit WS, lol.

What gears were you using, which atmacites? Last time I did Qilin as nin I averaged 1818.41 on Blade: Hi.
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