Inquiry for Mr. Matsui: Upcoming Weapon Skill Refinements?

[Tanama]

From the Job Adjustments Manifesto written in 2011:

Additional Planned Adjustments

• Weapon skill refinements

and this from earlier this year:

In regards to weapon skills, we are also planning to revamp each job's weapon skills in the future.

These were written while under the helm of a different producer. It has been a long time since we've heard absolutely anything on this subject matter. To Mr. Matsui, may we please have an update on the status of the planned Weapon Skill Refinements?

I speak for myself and the many disheartened owners of Relic, Mythic and Empyrian weapons that have an incredibly weak weapon skill. Among us, there is little to no hope on this issue due to the lack of updates regarding this adjustment.

The weakest weapon skills that come to mind are the following:

• Redemption's "Quietus"
• Rhongomiant's "Camlann's Torment"
• Farsha's "Cloudsplitter"
• Caladbolg's "Torcleaver"

and just about all relic and mythic weapon skills need the refinements.

All of the favorable empyrian weapon skills have a great damage modifier, a chance at critical hits or both. These come to mind:

• Ukonvasara's "Ukko's Fury"
• Verathragna's "Victory Smite"
• Almace's "Chant du Cygne"
• Kannagi's "Blade: Hi"
• Masamune's "Tachi: Fudo"
• Gandiva's "Jishnu's Radiance"

(Rudra's Storm and Wildfire I am unsure of.)

I am aware a lot of the merited weapon skills are the most powerful alternative at this time but those come at a cost of many merit points. The relic/mythic/empyrian weapon skills all require a great deal of time and gil. For them to be so inferior does not make any sense given the vast amount of time and effort needed to make such a weapon. Just looking at the 11th Vana'diel Census you will find the weapons with the weakest WS being the least popular.

I ask all of you who read this to Like this post and share your thoughts on this subject matter. Hopefully, the community will pass this on the development team and grant us a response at the very least.

[nyheen]

dont think Torcleaver is weak at all and rudra storm is powerful when using the right dnc or thf ability.

Cloudsplitter is a good magic WS with the right atma/magi ect. but wildfire is powerful with right atma/magic set

[Byrth]

Rudra storm is powerful when using the right dnc or thf ability.

Cloudsplitter is a good magic WS with the right atma/magi ect. but wildfire is powerful with right atma/magic set

Rudra's problem is that it sucks unstacked. If they gave it the ability to critical hit without changing anything else about it, the weaponskill would instantly become much more useful. It would suddenly have a 30-40% chance to critical hit and we could probably just spam it and maintain Twashtar aftermath.

Considering the damage isn't really that mindblowing when using it with SA/TA/CF, I don't think this is really so far out of line. If I do the same damage as an average Ukko's Fury when I use Climactic Flourish -> Rudra's Storm (which adds 20% damage with AF3+2 head), then letting it crit normally shouldn't be an issue.


Torcleaver sucks compared to Resolution, which is its competition.

Cloudsplitter is worse than Primal Rend unless you are using a brew.

Wild Fire is fine, but Last Stand is also very powerful. I don't really think this requires adjustment.

Thank you! Please adjust Quietus!!! After spending so much time to make it, just to have it be outdone by a dagger. I would honestly come back to the game if they readjusted this weaponskill.

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[Damane]

Rudra's problem is that it sucks unstacked. If they gave it the ability to critical hit without changing anything else about it, the weaponskill would instantly become much more useful. It would suddenly have a 30-40% chance to critical hit and we could probably just spam it and maintain Twashtar aftermath.

Considering the damage isn't really that mindblowing when using it with SA/TA/CF, I don't think this is really so far out of line. If I do the same damage as an average Ukko's Fury when I use Climactic Flourish -> Rudra's Storm (which adds 20% damage with AF3+2 head), then letting it crit normally shouldn't be an issue.


Torcleaver sucks compared to Resolution, which is its competition.

Cloudsplitter is worse than Primal Rend unless you are using a brew.

Wild Fire is fine, but Last Stand is also very powerful. I don't really think this requires adjustment.



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While wild fire and last stand are fine, Laeden salute is beneath earth atm. The WS sucks from a modifier point of view and the lack of dmg is just fucked, not to mention that alot of mobs (especially NMs) tend to resist the shit out of dark magic elements.

[Afania]

While wild fire and last stand are fine, Laeden salute is beneath earth atm. The WS sucks from a modifier point of view and the lack of dmg is just fucked, not to mention that alot of mobs (especially NMs) tend to resist the shit out of dark magic elements.

All mythic WS except DRG and PUP needs adjustment tbh. Would make Mythic a lot better than it is now.

[Nebo]

Rudra's problem is that it sucks unstacked. If they gave it the ability to critical hit without changing anything else about it, the weaponskill would instantly become much more useful. It would suddenly have a 30-40% chance to critical hit and we could probably just spam it and maintain Twashtar aftermath.

Considering the damage isn't really that mindblowing when using it with SA/TA/CF, I don't think this is really so far out of line. If I do the same damage as an average Ukko's Fury when I use Climactic Flourish -> Rudra's Storm (which adds 20% damage with AF3+2 head), then letting it crit normally shouldn't be an issue.

Agreed. I think Mercy Stroke, Rudra's Storm and Mandalic Stab all have the same problem....They were unlucky enough to be programmed as Dagger WS They suck.

If you don't combine them with job abilities, their damage won't outdo a WS you obtain at level 60. The Ability timer bottleneck forces you to use non Relic/Mythic/Empyrean WS unstacked to do BETTER damage than the Relic/Empyrean/Mythic you spent your heard earned money and time to obtain.

And the Positional restriction on THF job abilities limits this even further.

This really should not be the case for these "Ultimate Weapons."

[Mercilessturtle]

Torcleaver sucks compared to Resolution, which is its competition.

Because resolution is broken. If you are going to compare to resolution, then every other WS in the game needs buffed. They just need to fix resolution to be in line with the other merit WS.

Upheaval: 4.2 ftp, vit mod, 158 base damage weapon
Entropy: 3.8 ftp, int mod, 167 base damage weapon
Stardiver: 3.8 ftp, str mod, 159 base damage weapon
Resolution: 4.59375 ftp, str mod, 143 base damage weapon

Torcleaver: 4.95 ftp, 60% vit mod, 142 base damage weapon

Resolution is ~9.5% ahead of upheaval on ftp, and the str mod more than makes up for the lower damage weapon. Resolution is ~20% ahead of entropy and stardiver, but polearms damage per hit is only ~6% higher than gswords after wsc and fstr, and obviously entropy gets screwed with the int mod. Torcleaver isn't that far behind stardiver, like 9% worse. If resolution were brought in line with stardiver it would be reasonable.

[saevel]

Because resolution is broken. If you are going to compare to resolution, then every other WS in the game needs buffed. They just need to fix resolution to be in line with the other merit WS.

Upheaval: 4.2 ftp, vit mod, 158 base damage weapon
Entropy: 3.8 ftp, int mod, 167 base damage weapon
Stardiver: 3.8 ftp, str mod, 159 base damage weapon
Resolution: 4.59375 ftp, str mod, 143 base damage weapon

Torcleaver: 4.95 ftp, 60% vit mod, 142 base damage weapon

Resolution is ~9.5% ahead of upheaval on ftp, and the str mod more than makes up for the lower damage weapon. Resolution is ~20% ahead of entropy and stardiver, but polearms damage per hit is only ~6% higher than gswords after wsc and fstr, and obviously entropy gets screwed with the int mod. Torcleaver isn't that far behind stardiver, like 9% worse. If resolution were brought in line with stardiver it would be reasonable.

BS

Ruinator is stronger then resolution. Only the fact that it's 1H limits it's power.

[Mirage]

Didn't wildfire's performance scale poorly as we leveled up? I mean when the level cap was 85/90 it was awesome but now at 99 it is just "sort of average" compared to other physical WSes?

[Kincard]

Didn't wildfire's performance scale poorly as we leveled up? I mean when the level cap was 85/90 it was awesome but now at 99 it is just "sort of average" compared to other physical WSes?

It is still a very powerful weaponskill. Last Stand does give it a run for its money (RNGs definately like that better, or sometimes Coronach) but you'll find that lots of CORs still favor Wildfire.

Personally, I would love it if they could adjust every weapon skill so that every single one will have some sort of niche use, so we arn't always just telling ourselves to spam the same weapon skill in combat over and over. Obviously we'll always have one that's best for damage but making the rest of them all have some use would be very nice (The Warrior's Break WSs come to mind immediately, if they were improved they would see a lot more use).

Just as an example, I'll use Katana WS since that's what I'm most familiar with:

Blade: Rin- Add "Stun" Effect to the WS.
Blade: Retsu- Increase the duration of the effect.
Blade: Teki- Increase damage, add "Drown" effect.
Blade: To- Increase damage, add "Frost" effect.
Blade: Chi- Increase damage, add "Rasp" effect.
Blade: Ei- Increase damage, add "Bio" effect.
Blade: Jin- Fine as-is.
Blade: Ten- Add TP-cutting effect.
Blade: Ku- Increase the mods, make it better than Jin in low-crit situations.
Blade: Yu- Make TP mod damage instead, make current 300TP duration be the duration at all TP.
Blade: Kamu- Change fTP to 3.0+, increase current 300TP duration be the duration at all TP, make TP mod damage or crit rate.
Blade: Metsu- Lengthen aftermath and allow subtle cap break, increase fTP to 4.0.
Blade: Hi- Increase the crit % mod at various TP values. 20/35/55 like Ukko's would be nice.
Blade: Shun- decrease the attack penalty at and make the attack scale faster.