On Red Mage melee...

[Brytor]

Personally I can not see how anyone has enough room to carry the gear to do your main job as a RDM and still have room to carry Melee gear. Granted I've not played RDM a lot since getting +2 items but before I was at 76/80 before and not even carrying all the gear I wanted. Adding good TP and CdC sets on top of that would be another 23-30 items to carry.

[wish12oz]

All I have to say is RDM melee is about as useful as a screen door on submarine. And beyond that, it is perceived by the community as being terrible and something only bad RDMs do. Don't get me wrong, you're all free to do as you please, but don't expect any good group to allow you to melee, and don't expect to be in any top tier LS.

But really, why not just level another job? BLU is allowed to melee and gets to cast, go play that, or DRK, same thing. Except casting is looked down upon for DRK, since it lowers your damage a lot.

[Duelle]

All I have to say is RDM melee is about as useful as a screen door on submarine. And beyond that, it is perceived by the community as being terrible and something only bad RDMs do.

So you're thus in favor of improving Red Mage melee in order to make it useful to a party?

Quoting for truth, and maybe so people can realise this thread is about improving their Melee, which is necessary as it's ATROCIOUS now. This thread would not exist if it was great so telling us it's bad is DUMB when we already know this.

Quoted the quoted for truth for truth.

[Doombringer]

it seems like somebody pops in with this every few pages.. having read the thread title and nothing else....

[Supersun]

it seems like somebody pops in with this every few pages.. having read the thread title and nothing else....

As long as SE doesn't do the same we should be fine XD

Though I do pity whoever has to wade through all these posts.

[Duelle]

As long as SE doesn't do the same we should be fine XD

Though I do pity whoever has to wade through all these posts.

Out of the tons of suggestions in this thread alone, something is bound to stick...well, provided the developers are indeed reading this.

[Seriha]

it seems like somebody pops in with this every few pages.. having read the thread title and nothing else....

Or runs to BG seeking affirmation when people gang up on them with disagreements. Funny how a few of their regulars, who seem to make it a habit of trying to troll people, suddenly show up after Eeeks gets told off and this thread in question is linked there.

[Supersun]

Or runs to BG seeking affirmation when people gang up on them with disagreements. Funny how a few of their regulars, who seem to make it a habit of trying to troll people, suddenly show up after Eeeks gets told off and this thread in question is linked there.

Also funny in said thread how a few people sided with us (well...against Eeek's self admitted "throwing rocks at the hornet's nest that is the RDM forum" at least).

Like mentioned in said thread at least we are SUGGESTING a direction to take unlike the " Rdm melee is retarded crowd."

And if you honestly think Rdm is fine as it is look at what Blm 99/Rdm 49 is slated to have. It's essentially Rdm with T5 nukes.

Eeek mentioned "I fear that SE will cripple RDM's strong points, or adjust RDM in a way to add nothing to complement its strengths"

What are Rdms strengths? Anything relevant it had over other mage job pretty much became obsolete the moment that other mages got /Rdm 40. I mean what do we have left that's unique.

A %5 superior slow II? If 5% is ever enough to make or break a fight you need to train your DDs how to properly use utsusemi. (Not to mention that Bards already have a superior slow)

I'd imagine paralyze is in the same boat being barely better but a lack of testing makes this difficult to know for sure.

Blind is even worse because the only job that would remotely benefit from having blind on the mob has it's own equally powerful version.

(Not to mention all this is really doing atm is causing your Mnk tank to counter less frequently)

Self admittedly you are new to the job, Eeeks, so you probably didn't have the job when 70% of the job consisted of people that bandwagoned to it for easy merits, but anyone would be deceiving themselves if they said a Rdm was ever invited for more then 4 reasons.

Cure 4, Haste, Refresh, and Convert.

Our strength in ToA was literally stealing Whms job, but now that Whm has finally received its job back with the level cap increase I ask you again what is Rdms strengths.

Because as it stands now Rdm has NO strengths. A +5% stronger slow is not enough of a reason to invite a Whm over a Rdm especially when enfeebles are worthless on 70% of the mobs that matter. Whether they are extremely resistant, or like shinryu where all enfeebles except addle don't do a damn, or the fact that our enfeebles really only adequately reduce the monsters damage from normal melee attacks and don't do jack against TP attack.

Because the only "strength" Rdm has had recently was in ToA and the only way for it to relive it's ToW "glory days" would be for it to exclusively receive Haste 2 and I speak for 100% of Rdms that leveled the job for more then a diva gig, but that is the LAST thing any of us want.

You said you leveled Rdm recently and you have been enjoying it, but let me ask what is it you exactly do on Rdm because you are likely overrating how useful your Rdm is and those "strengths" that Rdm has are probably better fulfilled on another job.

So basically, until you can actually tell us Rdms current strengths that you are so fond of please stop trolling this thread.

[Eeek]

Or runs to BG seeking affirmation when people gang up on them with disagreements. Funny how a few of their regulars, who seem to make it a habit of trying to troll people, suddenly show up after Eeeks gets told off and this thread in question is linked there.

First of all, I didn't link this thread. All I did was vent. Special threads like this are easy enough to find.

I didn't get told off, at least not by any respectable posters with a solid grasp of FFXI game mechanics. I'm usually a post-and-run kinda cat who likes to toss his stance into the ring when time allows. Although I'd love to hang around for hours-long real-time conversations, I rarely have that kind of time.

By the way, I'm by no means a representative of BG as I have fewer that 100 posts and I'm not an entrenched member of that community. I'm a lurker by nature, and I've been reading BG for information for years. Here's what I can tell you though: a solid number of BG posters that post here are not trolling (most of the time). They will share ridiculous posts they find here (and there are so many!), but principally, they want their voices heard and their stances represented on the official forums just like everyone else.

@Supersun: I'm sorry if you have not personally discovered and employed RDM's strengths. In my little farming group (the one that invited you for the Sippoy kill), RDM is the first luxury job we include if we have all our bases covered. RDM's capabilities make fights substantially safer and faster, so why wouldn't we want to further stack the odds in our favor when we can?

I will say this though: my friends don't care for pickup RDMs now that I have the job leveled. My friend will grab pickups in Port Jeuno for Zone Boss/Caturae kills when we go do those NMs and have room, and we've yet to find a pickup RDM that can adequately keep up haste, cure status ailments, land potent enfeebles, and add extra damage through nukes when all other magey tasks are under control.

RDM is also tremendously useful for Fell Cleaving (as puller and support) and manaburning clusters of mobs.

And that's not everything either! This post is too long as it is, though.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Or runs to BG seeking affirmation when people gang up on them with disagreements. Funny how a few of their regulars, who seem to make it a habit of trying to troll people, suddenly show up after Eeeks gets told off and this thread in question is linked there.

I'll assume by BG you mean that forum that uses all the third party tools, right? The one with the crappy Wiki.