On Red Mage melee...

[Hyrist]

For BRD, Cure IV, Haste, and status cures are very important reasons to sub WHM over RDM. I played BRD in event settings for years (important admission: I retired BRD when the level cap first rose to 80), and singing songs was only half the job. I, and any good BRD from that era, made extensive use of the status cures and cures from /WHM. I honestly don't know if /SCH is now the better choice these days, to be honest.

Question:

Once 99 hits and haste become available via /rdm, adding in the additional MP endurance of Convert as well as fast cast traits which will play into Bard's song timers. Would you still take /whm merely for the status cures? I'm sure it's situational but especially if you've another mage, ANY mage handy you're already going to have a decent status cure removal situation there and the Bards support focus should probably be more primarily on buffs with the backup cure handy.

Honestly I view Red Mage as a subjob primarily for Scholars and Summoners. Both jobs that benefit more from the spell variety and direct MP restoration.

/RDM for WHM and BLM really depends on how independent of outside support they need to be.

If I see a BLM or WHM with Sub Red Mage. I don't really question them, as much as acknowledge that they're not used to getting paired with BRD/COR/RDM.

[Neisan_Quetz]

As long as you need status cures they'll be subbing /whm or /sch for said status cures.

[Supersun]

As long as you need status cures they'll be subbing /whm or /sch for said status cures.

Or just bring a scholar if you need them that badly.

[Hyrist]

As long as you need status cures they'll be subbing /whm or /sch for said status cures.

I just find it kind of redundant when WHM, SCH, and virtually every job that subs WHM or SCH for whatever reason (I default to /SCH on back line duties on RDM unless I need sleepga/stun) and anyone else /sch can burn a charge to AoE a recovery. (whm doesn't even need to do that in some cases.)

If it's covered, wouldn't you want abilities that enhance your root duties more?

[Neisan_Quetz]

Depends what you're fighting then. Some mobs are annoying enough to bring at least 2 people who can remove status effects. If it's only like 1 TP move to watch out for then yea other people can start using other subs.

[Rearden]

I prefer BRD to be subbing WHM so the WHM is free to handle other duties aside from status debuffs. Erase has a longer timer as well and doesn't cross parties, so that is necessary in a lot of situations. The only exception would be BLM/BRD for ES, which right now isn't a necessity but I'm sure will be again in the future.

Edit: Also I'm not sure what BRDs you play with but 9mp/tick is pretty lol.

[Supersun]

I prefer BRD to be subbing WHM so the WHM is free to handle other duties aside from status debuffs. Erase has a longer timer as well and doesn't cross parties, so that is necessary in a lot of situations. The only exception would be BLM/BRD for ES, which right now isn't a necessity but I'm sure will be again in the future.

Edit: Also I'm not sure what BRDs you play with but 9mp/tick is pretty lol.

The only status effect /sch doesn't get is stona and /sch would give you the ability to AoE those status effects.

And why is +9 pretty lol. You party with G horn bards or something? I mean is Crooner's cithara and Aoidos' Rhingrave +2 seems like a reasonable standard.

[Neisan_Quetz]

As of 90 cap, Viruna too.

[Gokku]

not sure if i should post it in a new thread but for now ill leave this here

K heres everything





Personal notes , not sure why CDC shows up under ability damage also i see it as , the blu shows what a poorly geared players potential is vs a well geared one for the rdm vs the blu and then the war shows the diffrence vs my monk * both heavy dd classes*. with the most obvious gap being my monk to the redmage.
the parse was paused ASAP upon any DD's death * i died 3 times blu 2 times* and resumed as soon as i drew my wep after all dd's were unweakened.

any other questions.

[Doombringer]

well i'm proud of me <.<

half of an optimized/nearly optimized mnk? i'll take it...



for now >.>