On Red Mage melee...

[wish12oz]

I just hate seeing people say a RDM with decent gear can do 80% of what any real DD with decent gear could do. That statement is entirely false, and I'll willing to go prove it. And as far as it goes, Hagun SAM isnt even that good, should of parsed against a polearm SAM, a DRG or a WAR with adequate gear. It's very obvious to me the people in the referenced parse were way to gimp for it to be taken seriously. If you want to know what you could of really done, I can regear my WAR for 75 and show you.

[Rearden]

I would personally just use Colibri for the parse because then you aren't getting different mob types, stoneskins, etc. thrown into the mix.

Puks, Wyverns and Mamool are going to throw the numbers off due to varying AGI levels, evasion levels and such.

[Neisan_Quetz]

EDIT: not worth it

[Hyrist]

I would personally just use Colibri for the parse because then you aren't getting different mob types, stoneskins, etc. thrown into the mix.

Puks, Wyverns and Mamool are going to throw the numbers off due to varying AGI levels, evasion levels and such.

This actually presents a question I have:

Colibri dominated exp at 75 for a good few years, it became an easy measuring standard for looking at accuracy/numbers etc.

Has there been any real intermediary camps to do the same as the level cap rises, or are we waiting till 99 to find that 'one mob' to parse against?

[wish12oz]

Only thing I tossed was my perdu volge, if you're up for a real challenge I can get another great axe.
(well, and ancient torque, but that doesnt really count since its buyable)
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c243/r5n/war75.jpg

[Karbuncle]

Almace, these things aren't easy to get,

Took me 1 week to build a friend a 85 Almace, and he did half the work Solo. Its not really hard, it just takes dedication and perseverance, i believe anyone has the power to get it.

on the best/v/best thing, I was talking about not imposing any restrictions. Let each player gear to the best of their abilities.

Whats the point in a victory if its under specific conditions, and for a part of the game that will never return? (75 cap meritpo). Maybe he's just trying to verify his claims i assume... But it seems like a hollow victory

He should really challenge them to a 90-cap fight.

[wish12oz]

He should really challenge them to a 90-cap fight.

I'm down for whatever, just tired of seeing people say RDM melee was better than it really was.

[Supersun]

Took me 1 week to build a friend a 85 Almace, and he did half the work Solo. Its not really hard, it just takes dedication and perseverance, i believe anyone has the power to get it.

on the best/v/best thing, I was talking about not imposing any restrictions. Let each player gear to the best of their abilities.

Whats the point in a victory if its under specific conditions, and for a part of the game that will never return? (75 cap meritpo). Maybe he's just trying to verify his claims i assume... But it seems like a hollow victory

He should really challenge them to a 90-cap fight.

I might be interested in a lvl 90 skirmish some time in the future against you outside of abyssea.
It would be a good way to see how jobs actually stand in regard to each other for future content.

Though I would need to grab a few important pieces that my set needs before I could be held to any decent standard.
(I only have the gimperian though, not the actual almace)

[Karbuncle]

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/222778

I think this (Zelus Tiara for head perhaps!) would be the best RDM melee set i can think of. I'm probably forgetting some stuff... (Read: Anything new)

I think 90Mandau would be a better offhand over any other weapon because of its massive DPS, Almace90 Mainhand because of the great WS attached to it.

Thats my opinion, however.

[Hyrist]

He should really challenge them to a 90-cap fight.

It's not so much a challenge as it is for me data gathering. That's the essential difference in attitude, I suppose. But yeah, that would be more relevant to today. But I'm even further behind that point, and then there's the issue with Weapon Skills... I doubt I'd go Dagger/Sword optimally. Especially if I got an Almace. Probably Almace/DA sword depending on how balancing between more frequent CDC vs higher melee dps compares. Kind of hard to when OA2-4 and DA sword are non-exclusive.

on the best/v/best thing, I was talking about not imposing any restrictions. Let each player gear to the best of their abilities.

Curbing bitter words, that would result in just as hollow a victory. Whoever's further along in the gear has the best advantage. I mean, even wish was like "See, my gear isn't the best, that's an advantage to you!" and I was eyeing it going "Hmm... 3% haste advantage on gear I could have... 5 Acc on a STR ring, that would be nice." And I was only really paying attention to gear we both could have.

I mean wish mentions Mandau as the only hope for even 50%, which leads me to think the issue lies in base damage of a weapon. Which makes me wonder as to her opinion of lighter damage jobs such as PUP, DNC, and especialy THF during that time and whether or not they could reach that 80% or even the 50%, and what gear they would have for that reach.

That should probably be the better comparison points for 75.

Took me 1 week to build a friend a 85 Almace, and he did half the work Solo.

Most the intial legwork all the way up to base Almace isn't hard. It's the competition level on Sobek that makes it frustrating as all hell. As far as 'relic' level weapon goes, that's the obvious goal to go for due to the reletive ease comapred to true Relic and Mythic weapons.