On Red Mage melee...

[Supersun]

Why would it be unfair? If i have the gear available to me why not use it? Surely you aren't saying I should make my gear worse so he has a better chance to come close to my dmg?

It's unfair because virtually NO ONE had a Mars ring for the vast majority of the time at 75 except for maybe a few months between Perfect Defense and the level cap increase...

Or if you were one of the fortunate few that got to kill AV through some "exploit" before SE patched it.

[Aurara]

Actually a lot of people had mars at 75 depending what LS you were in, assuming you had tons of people with DRK lvl'd.

[Karbuncle]

I simply don't see a point in making the SAM(DD) You're "battling" against in the parse purposefully gimp.

Would it not be a hollow victory to beat a SAM that for all intents and purposes was gimp? I sorta understand no AV items, sorta. but forcing him to use a Great Katana over a Polearm? That is grade-A Gimp. Any good SAM would use Polearm on Colibri.

ANY good SAM. its basic Colibri intelligence.

I just don't see the point of this if its not going to be Best vs best. Wheres the victory in beating someone you've forced into dumbing down their armor? It seems like it'd be a hollow victory because the only thing you'd prove is that you could almost out-DD a SAM so long as the SAM was using a bad weapon choice and selective gear.

[Supersun]

Any good SAM would use Polearm on Colibri.

Aren't they going to parse at mamools though like Starfoxes parse?

[wish12oz]

Aren't they going to parse at mamools though like Starfoxes parse?

most of the stuff at mammools (puks) are weak to piercing too, so it applies there also.

[Karbuncle]

Aren't they going to parse at mamools though like Starfoxes parse?

Dunno, When i heard the words 75 cap i assumed they were going to a good camp.

Not hells armpit.

[Hyrist]

I simply don't see a point in making the SAM(DD) You're "battling" against in the parse purposefully gimp.

Would it not be a hollow victory to beat a SAM that for all intents and purposes was gimp? I sorta understand no AV items, sorta. but forcing him to use a Great Katana over a Polearm? That is grade-A Gimp. Any good SAM would use Polearm on Colibri.

ANY good SAM. its basic Colibri intelligence.

I just don't see the point of this if its not going to be Best vs best. Wheres the victory in beating someone you've forced into dumbing down their armor? It seems like it'd be a hollow victory because the only thing you'd prove is that you could almost out-DD a SAM so long as the SAM was using a bad weapon choice and selective gear.

Right, though there's problems with statments like that as not all camps in ToAU were lolibri. Hagun sam was likely the Mamool JA camp issue. I donno, I'm not Starfox.

But when you mention 'Best vs best', what is the best for RDM? Who has 'the best'? I don't think anyone's actually collected the full potential. There is certainly gear out there for a RDM to work for. However, I think the biggest argument on the pro melee camp to SE is, if they're going to do that, they should also provide a meaningful use for it.

Excalibur, Mandau, Almace, these things aren't easy to get, yet they dangle them in front of Red Mages.

And the dangeling is not limited to just Relics either.

[Thunderlips]

Right, though there's problems with statments like that as not all camps in ToAU were lolibri. Hagun sam was likely the Mamool JA camp issue. I donno, I'm not Starfox.

But when you mention 'Best vs best', what is the best for RDM? Who has 'the best'? I don't think anyone's actually collected the full potential. There is certainly gear out there for a RDM to work for. However, I think the biggest argument on the pro melee camp to SE is, if they're going to do that, they should also provide a meaningful use for it.

Excalibur ... these things aren't easy to get, yet they dangle them in front of Red Mages.

And the dangeling is not limited to just Relics either.

I got an Excal, I don't see what the problem is

On a serious note however, which mamool camp are you looking into for this parse? There's MJSP which wasn't too hard and the Mamool camp above birds which really separated the men from the boys.

[Hyrist]

mandau/dunno/that acc+str ranged item from the demon NM in castle z
wala turban, pcc, suppa, brutal
goliard body, dusk gloves+1, toreaders, rajas
cerb+1, ninurtas, shantototo pants with 3 haste, dusk boots+1
with pizza.

There is no better offhand than Joy if you're not spending stones.
Dusk +1 legs are a problem mainly just due to accessability on the AH, or getting a Leatherworker to HQ. Cereb same issue.

I'm trying to think of which NM it is you're talking about for that ammo piece... I remember reading on it.



It's hard to parse against yourself. But again, even to prove your own point I'm willing to test. I'll push my performance as far as it'll go, because that's a hobby for me. It's part of what makes this game fun on my end. But I'd rather parse for accurate data and be wrong, than have merely Starfox and the 'naked monk' as the only points of comparison. They both have wild problems with it, especialy with age.

Of course, pushing for 75 tests seem to be pointless and outdated due to this becomming a lvl 99 game. But I'm down for that sort of testing if people want to try to prove the comparsion levels they're saying. At any level, at any situation I'm willing to work on this and test it out.

You want to say you've done so, but I don't think you actually have recorded data of your own, and that's what I want.

[Karbuncle]

Tell you what, I've almost got a Mandau for my THF! (25/61 Jades for Bart), I'll parse a 90 Mandau RDM with the best gear i can get against anyone who wants to try.

This would be a realistic test.