On Red Mage melee...

[Hyrist]

A good SAM was using a 6-hit and a Hagun, Polearm for Lolibri. None of the following was particularily hard to get, and I think for the most part pretty common. This SAM in a party with a BRD is going to average (1hit WS) 1100-1400, low (DA WS, 1st hit miss) 700-900 and high (Double attack) 1800-2400 - all numbers being higher with a 2nd brd or cor, meat, zerk up

This is my old setup, a 6 hit, with a 5 hit following WS.

Only think I see in the TP gear that makes me raise a brow is Velocious Belt and Asir Earring as far as you saying 'not hard to get'.

The rest looks like the best you could get at that level/time. Mind telling me what was better than that (for your TP set in particular)?

[Rearden]

Ace's Helm would have been nice, the Justice is also a toss up at that level for Peacock and Ele. Gorget as far as overall damage goes. There are different ways to make a 6 hit, and I was gone, but I think there was even 5 hit potential but I'm not sure.

Aesir was not hard to get, Odin Prime was easily done by a party of 6, and I beat Odin Prime the other day (At lv90) MNK+BRD, so getting one now isn't hard to get either.

V.Belt was easy to get (As was Ace's, honestly) as long as you and a few friends were dedicated to camping KA for a couple weeks. Same goes for KV, though he required an LS to kill it for you. If you're quantifying time = hard, then that is different than what I quantify hard as. (Low low low drop rate/Hard NM/Lengthy tiered pop system, etc) Think salvage before cells in the box, or sea torques.

[Swords]

It was pretty common to have around 400 base attack back at 75 for most melees as i recall. Additional boosts usually came from JA's, food, or bard spells.

[Aurara]

my drg gear is nothing special, lol.
Edit: i dont even have a vbelt or n.sash on my lolz

[Hyrist]

Um.... that rdm was a gimp, there's no way he did as good as people are saying, unless the people he was parsing against were absolutely terrible.

Mind explaining where he was lacking?

I want to stress the good faith part on this here. I'm not going to do this if all it results in is smack talk. If Starfox's parses seem wrong or he was against inappropriate DD, that's fine by me. Again this is nearly a 4 year old parse, it bears no weight to our current situation. But I want to understand what calls for gimp to you guys.


This is the argument I believe you guys can't answer:

I've seen so many subpar "accepted DD" it's not even funny. Yet, the way you present things, it's a sin for RDM to even try, because "it's not possible", while it's okay for a "accepted DD class" player to try to improve the way they play?

The majority of the times I melee, there's no conflict of interest. My policy is "Melee Fodder, Magic Bosses." And I continually work on my gear to push both aspects of it. (Though I'll admit, I'm really far behind now. Too many breaks from the game.) You guys seem to imply that I'm wrong in that pursuit, even though it doesn't effect you.

I roll my eyes just as much as the RDM's that walk up with mage gear and swing at things. Or those who refuse to swap gear. Though, I don't outwardly insult them for it, I try to explain where they can improve, and leave it up to them to decide to do it. Most the time I'll never see these people in game anyways, but I would always like to see people pushing their performance, regardless as the the decision as to what they're doing.

If you guys want to keep things down to real numbers, and disprove statements like the one I have with actual testing, I'm more than fine with that. If nothing else, I'll keep pushing just to keep the numbers out there and accurate for discussion. (Hell, I wouldn't mind a bit of assistance in pushing it as far as it could go.)

[Hyrist]

If you're quantifying time = hard, then that is different than what I quantify hard as.

When you're running an erratic, limited schedule, time is a difficulty, yes. It might be a bit of a different standard, but it was what held me up on a great deal of content for quite a long while.

[Supersun]

Find another synch other then Aurara. I think he's made it plenty clear that he has no intention of showing even the slightest amount of sportsmanship and is not going to even attempt to get rid of his biases for this experiment.

(http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/104...Grindin/page85)

(also, remember not to enblizzard :P)

[wish12oz]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c243/r5n/samgear.jpg

This is what Ive thrown together, gonna use pizza with it and try to find a black tathlum. Im aware I can cap acc and use meat if I use aces helm, usu shoes/body but Id rather have the 2% haste and 2% DA
Was out in rolanberry checking tp gain, so I knew if I needed anything besides rajas/brutal for WS, but forgot SAM got another STP trait now lol, so I'll just assume this is good and use askar for WS too.
Go me, gimping it up.

EDIT: Ethreal earring, N sash, Pole grip

Edit2: I never actually played SAM, I just figured I had enough useful gear to do 80% of the damage in a parse against any rdm, and Im sure Im still right, but Im starting to think my SAM is pretty gimp =3

[Rearden]

When you quit, go ahead and transfer me some gils

[wish12oz]

Any Odin BRDs or CORs wanna come?
Also: anyone wanna come outside heal/haste?