On Red Mage melee...

[Rearden]

Tell me you've got numbers this time though besides that old thread of a Red Mage using a K Club which we have a D skill in...

Or if you'd like, why don't we swap places and you can give the mnk a staff and give a red mage a 1D dagger and see who wins...you'll get similar results.

Uh. I'd be willing to bet MNK.

Willing to be being synonymous with "I'm positive of this fact that I am stating".

[Aurara]

I'm not 'heated' in the slightest actually. I just wrote that in a satirical manor hoping to highlight what's wrong with your arguments (ie. lack of proof, aka. numbers)

I'm pretty sure you're heated and trying to play it off like a tuff guy

It's ridiculous that you and your BG friends are taking a 5 second glance of data that was thoroughly discussed in-depth 3 years ago and completely discrediting it.

Because it holds no water and has various factors removed from it to benefit the RDM at hand

My last post wasn't 'debating' that my side was right over yours.
My last post was telling you to stop using the most blatant logical fallacies I've seen in a while. I mean good gosh, how many times have you appealed to authority instead of actually posting NUMBERS.

Where are your alleged numbers? YOU have yet to post numbers, I have given you a clear reason as to why the #'s you gave were wrong/fake and you refused to listen.

I mean you stated 1) You don't know HOW a Rdm would perform, but 2) it would be in the 20% range because you 'know' how Sam performs

It's quite simple, RDM sucks at DD, SAM does not case closed and moving on.

That would be what we call a logical fallacy. There is no actual evidence in that statement besides your claim that it is true.

No, that's what we call logical thinking

[Hyrist]

No I'm stating that the entirty of that situation was pretty fucked up to begin with.

It's a great example of how horribly a RDM can do when they're not properly geared and not knowing what they're doing for certain. But all that it established was 'how bad' a RDM can do when they half ass things. All it did was prove the 'Zero to Hero' issues that RDM's gear and strategy has.

(Rdm had no enhancing gear, no WS gear, his TP gear consisted of wise feet, O-hat, scorp harness (nq) Miserecorde In short, a Bad RDM got to big for his britches and put in his place.)

And all I had to do was see K club to have to shake my head at it. It's really not a good idea to use K-club.

[Neisan_Quetz]

So we can agree that a half-assed Mnk wearing nothing is better than a half-assed rdm using tp/ws sets, and a well geared Mnk/Any other DD will destroy a well geared Rdm, right?

[cidbahamut]

It's a great example of how horribly a RDM can do when they're not properly geared and not knowing what they're doing for certain. But all that it established was 'how bad' a RDM can do when they half ass things.

Same could be said of DDs.

[Aurara]

No I'm stating that the entirty of that situation was pretty fucked up to begin with.

I know, the monk didn't even get black belt and had 0 haste gear ><

It's a great example of how horribly a RDM can get crushed by a naked monk

You are correct!

And all I had to do was see K club to have to shake my head at it. It's really not a good idea to use K-club.

Lol, ITT sushi sucks and RDM can't use sushi and KC sucks

[Supersun]

Doesn't count because the Rdm was using a club...

aka...He was gimp

See where I'm going with this?

------

Tell me you've got numbers this time though besides that old thread of a Red Mage using a K Club which we have a D skill in...

Or if you'd like, why don't we swap places and you can give the mnk a staff and give a red mage a 1D dagger and see who wins...you'll get similar results.

------

Since you missed it the first time, the Mnk isn't wearing anything at all.

Vs a Rdm using a club...wow...amazing

-----

*Mnk has no tp gear
*Mnk has no ws gear
*Rdm has full tp/ws sets and all you can point out is the offhand in your defense? Just lol.

That wasn't his offhand...
------

I see a blau mainhand, so yes, you're blind.

Not in the picture above.

Where are your alleged numbers? YOU have yet to post numbers, I have given you a clear reason as to why the #'s you gave were wrong/fake and you refused to listen.

It's quite simple, RDM sucks at DD, SAM does not case closed and moving on.

Do you really not understand what a logical fallacy is? You have given NO reason that those numbers were fake besides either 1) You say so, 2) your BG friends say so, or 3) Because Sam is a DD.

That is not logic OR reason, that is your personal opinion being treated as a fact.

Edit: I compiled my last couple of posts here so I could delete the others to save space.

[Neisan_Quetz]

I see 2 pictures of gear, and one of him /nin with blau main hand, so yes, you are blind still.

[Aurara]

Do you really not understand what a logical fallacy is? You have given NO reason that those numbers were fake besides either 1) You say so, 2) your BG friends say so, or 3) Because Sam is a DD.

That is not logic OR reason, that is your personal opinion being treated as a fact.

Are you so desperate to be right? I mean come on, we found out that data was removed from the parse, as well as a rdm melee doing that well at MJSP is absolutely ridiculous if you've ever partied there(doubt that you have but hey i could be wrong!)

[Hyrist]

Same could be said of DDs.

True, it works both ways for both jobs types.

But even with Blau, RDM was doing it wrong, downright backwards. Enspells counted for about 10% of DPS when properly boosted Weapon Skills, about 30%, depending on how well geared the WS set was. Which means RDM walked out of town with the wrong idea how to do things, not uncommon.

It would be like if a naked monk faced off against a k club warrior, just the club, full timing defender and no gear but his his out of date AH TP set.

Funny, yes. And an embarassment to be sure, but it diddn't prove anything except that DD jobs are less gear dependant against low defence T mobs. Well, that and K club RDM is a huge no no on anything but elementals.