On Red Mage melee...

[Hyrist]

Because swords are feature of RDM, and have always been. This is like saying "war's af1 weapon is an axe, WAR should ONLY use axes!" It doesn't hold water because WAR w/axes is terrible.

Let's take a look... at Red Mage and Warior.
Warrior:

Bravura (Relic) (G.Axe)
Ragnarok (Relic) (G.Sword)
Conqueror (Mythic) (G. axe)
Ukonvasara (Empyrean) (G. Axe)
Farsha (Empyrean)



So... you have 1 Axe in your list of possible end-goals to get items wise, if someone wanted to. And Look at that, 3 Great Axes.

Red Mage?

Excalibur (Sword)
Mandau (Dagger)
Murgleis (Sword)
Almace (Sword)

Do you see the problem here?


For a job you profess to be a mage class only. Our Trophies, our highest end goals for weapons are all melee weapons. However, to go for these weapons lands me a boat load of harassment, because of the intent to use them.

Ignoring everything else , that alone is an unacceptable problem. I should not feel disuaded to work on an weapon of that calibur because the public opinion of my intent to use such a weapon is low, especially when I have no alternatives available to my job. No matter what side of the camp you are on, that is inherantly flawed. If SE is going to advertise melee end-goals for Red Mage, then they need to back up its front line performance better, period.

[Duelle]

People would get brought, melee, be terrible at it then get kicked. I'm getting tired of trying to be coopertive, so I'm just gonna end my argument here. If you want spellblade where you can instacast spells from your weapon go right on ahead.

I guess I'll close with you with this then:

It's not so much about the ability. It's about what it does and how it affects the group. That's what I was getting at with that post. If you want utility tied to the front line action, thats all and good, but it won't matter much in the numbers game if the other pieces of the puzzle aren't there. It never has and never will. Not to mention I'd find that idea much more bearable than buff cycling.

[Aurara]

I guess we both play RDM differently, I appreciate you not being a complete dick and claim to have "won" the conversation/debate like some people do.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Every mage job has a melee weapon for relic/mythic/emp bar Nirvana which is actually useful even if you don't melee, see lolclaustrum.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

What's with the tag for this thread: troll tagging 101?

[Aurara]

Beats me, I didn't do it, lol

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Probably the amount of times "troll" has been said in this thread.

[Hyrist]

I guess I'll close with you with this then:

It's not so much about the ability. It's about what it does and how it affects the group. That's what I was getting at with that post. If you want utility tied to the front line action, thats all and good, but it won't matter much in the numbers game if the other pieces of the puzzle aren't there. It never has and never will. Not to mention I'd find that idea much more bearable than buff cycling.

The problem is, Dulle, you're talking about a complete job Rework, and honestly, Red Mage does not need a "Delete, Reinsert" type of working with the job.

The pieces to preform are there. People who down the job's performance are exadurating the gap, even though it is large, and difficult to close.

But even if that gap was closed, you'd have the problem of it not being enough. For someone of the mentality we're being displayed. Simply having Refresh and Haste in our spell list automatically makes us duty-bound to forsake all other aspects of our class, simply to cycle those two spells endlessly. Oh, and throw out an inefficent cure sevral times in a row when needed.

Kind of funny, cause by the time 99 comes around, every single mage or melee job that subs Red Mage will be able to spread haste around. However it will stll be Red Mage's 'duty' to do so. SE would do well to just buck up and give RDM hastega and make it party only.

[Razushu]

Lucky. I want that thing so bad, along with the dumb refresh hairpin.




Possibly, I would like to know the Dev's plans for RDM (Well all jobs really), so I know whether to continue to level it to 99, or stop. Hopefully the Job Road-Map will show it.

Same here waiting "patiently" for it

[Aurara]

Same here waiting "patiently" for it

friend has 30 hours total time farmed trying to get it D: