On Red Mage melee...

[Seyrena]

it seems like somebody pops in with this every few pages.. having read the thread title and nothing else....

Isn't that the truth. At least take some time to figure out what we're talking about here, people!

Out of the tons of suggestions in this thread alone, something is bound to stick...well, provided the developers are indeed reading this.

Shall I perform the summoning ritu--

The mage homogenization train wreck looms on the horizon

Oh. Uh-oh... >< I said nothing!

[ManaKing]

I'm going to use BOLD and use short statements so that people don't misinterpret what I say.

WE KNOW RDM MELEE SUCKS.

WHEN WE SAY THAT WE WANT MELEE BUFFS, WE MEAN THAT WE WANT BUFFS TO OUR ENHANCING MAGIC. THAT WAY WE CAN DEAL MAGICAL DAMAGE, ON HIT IN MELEE RANGE AND PROVIDE USEFUL EFFECTS FOR OUR PARTY.

WE KNOW OUR CLASS ISN'T GOOD AT DOING THINGS THAT ARE DESIRED BY A HIGH LEVEL LS.

WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO THINGS THAT ARE USEFUL FOR OTHER PEOPLE, AS WELL AS OURSELVES.

WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE OTHER JOBS FUNCTIONALITY AWAY FROM THEM.

WHEN YOU SAY THAT RDM ISN'T GOOD AT MELEE, GOOD IN PARTY COMPS, AND IS GENERALLY UNDESIRABLE; YOU MAKE US FRUSTRATED BECAUSE YOU JUST VALIDATED THIS, AND ANY OTHER THREAD LIKE IT, THAT IS ASKING FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO RDM.

WE ARE ASKING TO PLAY RDM AS A JOB THAT IS DESIRABLE, VIABLE, AND HAS IT'S OWN UNIQUE ASPECTS; JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER JOB IN THE GAME.

[Supersun]

WE ARE ASKING TO PLAY RDM AS A JOB THAT IS DESIRABLE, VIABLE, AND HAS IT'S OWN UNIQUE ASPECTS; JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER JOB IN THE GAME.[/B]

When has every job in the game been desirable lol

[Duelle]

When has every job in the game been desirable lol

Sad, yet true.

Most of us who have been around know how you feel, Mana. The funny thing is that at one point in time I used to get trolled in RDM threads with "well, x job is also not viable in all situations, so suck it up!!!", when they should be asking for buffs and changes to their respective jobs instead of trolling RDM threads. I know misery loves company and all, but geez...

The mage homogenization train wreck looms on the horizon

Oh. Uh-oh... >< I said nothing!

The subjob system was bound to result in that, you know. It's part of why everyone has so vehemently believed SE would never raise the level cap past 75. The effect on mages is just very noticeable because the homogenization of melee already happened long ago (1H = /nin or GTFO. 2H = /sam or GTFO).

[ManaKing]

When has every job in the game been desirable lol

Ok, you got me there, lolDRG, lolDRK, and lolBLM, were pretty bad.

But that's one of the reasons that the forums exist. I am hoping that with as much history as FFXI has, that they can speed up the process. The updates that are coming in the next year look promising, but vauge. I, personally, want RDM to be taken seriously in these updates.

[Dart]

I really didn't want to scan through 30 pages of emo/bitching but honestly for solo and the like. Rdm with almace is pretty fun. (and i'm sure that it adds an entire new aspect to rdm soloing) outside that what is it that everyone here wants. To be a desired dd in the ally?

Personally I'm happy with how much almace enhances rdm melee for soloing. Its a great buff and adds to our utility. But for party dynamics I really hope that no one is talking about making rdm melee a viable part of.

[Seyrena]

I really didn't want to scan through 30 pages of emo/bitching
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But for party dynamics I really hope that no one is talking about making rdm melee a viable part of.

Doombringer's point is thus proven.

[Dart]

Doombringer's point is thus proven.

doesn't make what i've said any less logical.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

doesn't make what i've said any less logical.

People just want excuses to use the sword or dagger of which they have skill with.. Nothing wrong with that! The whole point of the thread is people want SE to improve on RDM's Melee capability, just because some people have come here simply to stir trouble and troll from another "forum" (term used loosely) shouldn't make the thread have any less of a point.

Standing back and healing/enhancing is why I levelled WHM, Nuking I levelled SCH for.. So for that reason and knowing RDM's melee is a joke I have little to no reason to play as RDM as it stands in the current "FFXI version: Easy" will that change if FFXI ever leaves Abyssea, doubtful as even Voidwatch is using the daft system, so unless something is done to RDM be in Melee, Magical or otherwise it's a job that will slowly loose it's worth, PLD mark 2 if you would.

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As for another person in this thread, stop taking screenshots to try to validate yourself and posting on that bot using, third party filled site.. You must have better things to do... or am I giving you too much credit?

[Dart]

People just want excuses to use the sword or dagger of which they have skill with.. Nothing wrong with that! The whole point of the thread is people want SE to improve on RDM's Melee capability, just because some people have come here simply to stir trouble and troll from another "forum" (term used loosely) shouldn't make the thread have any less of a point.

Standing back and healing/enhancing is why I levelled WHM, Nuking I levelled SCH for.. So for that reason and knowing RDM's melee is a joke I have little to no reason to play as RDM as it stands in the current "FFXI version: Easy" will that change if FFXI ever leaves Abyssea, doubtful as even Voidwatch is using the daft system, so unless something is done to RDM be in Melee, Magical or otherwise it's a job that will slowly loose it's worth, PLD mark 2 if you would.

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As for another person in this thread, stop taking screenshots to try to validate yourself and posting on that bot using, third party filled site.. You must have better things to do... or am I giving you too much credit?

I lvl'd rdm because of the utility the job brings, and now its my absolute favorite job to solo on. The only thing that I've wanted is cure5. T4's was such a boon to the job and I can't wait for thunder4.

Different play styles, different opinions as always. I see rdm as completely fullfilling its "jack of all trades" title, and as Ipreviously mentioned with wanting cure5 would again make it viable in party set up. I love the job and get great use out of it as it is.

Sure its lost some of the things that only rdm could bring to the table (vert, refresh just to name two). But speaking for me personally. A boost to our melee phase would not make the job any more enjoyable for me.