On Red Mage melee...

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Don't forget staff skill. I don't think there's any other job so reliant on a weapon type, yet have no skill in it..
So like BRD, give RDM C+ staff skill with relevant weaponskills. (And unlock all elemental weaponskills on sword.)

They wont give RDM Staff skill ever, Like it or not SE don't want them using Staves regardless the fact a few are good for RDM such as the nuking ones, just be grateful they still put RDM on the good Staff Trials.

If anything they'd only up Club skill weapon wise.

Truth be told, the only use of Staff Skill would be for Triggers in Abyssea and that's it (not that I'd mind this), no RDM in their right mind would use a staff if they planned on melee.

[Kristal]

They wont give RDM Staff skill ever, Like it or not SE don't want them using Staves regardless the fact a few are good for RDM such as the nuking ones, just be grateful they still put RDM on the good Staff Trials.

If anything they'd only up Club skill weapon wise.

Truth be told, the only use of Staff Skill would be for Triggers in Abyssea and that's it (not that I'd mind this), no RDM in their right mind would use a staff if they planned on melee.

RDM staff melee would be worse then RDM sword melee.. that alone should be enough to convince any dev...

[Duelle]

Don't forget staff skill. I don't think there's any other job so reliant on a weapon type, yet have no skill in it..
So like BRD, give RDM C+ staff skill with relevant weaponskills. (And unlock all elemental weaponskills on sword.)

I can agree with unlocking Sword WS for RDM, but not on giving the job a staff skill. Thematically it doesnt fit and I'm sure there's room for abuse in some way if we weren't given said skill in the first revamp.

But... but ... but .... we have Shield Mastery!!
LMAO
SE trolled us so badly with that.

Why do you think I was so mad when that change was made? >.>

What is marksmanship going to do when you need to sub or main Rng/Cor for the weaponskills? The current ones we have they should consider adjusting, assuming they even do so, are Elemental, Enhancing, (maybe healing post cure adjustment, Divine is useless with no divine spells, Dark skill isn't a huge importance but could be bumped up as well) and Sword/Dagger.

The marksmanship thing is personal preference, as I have it leveled for DRK. Knowing "balance" and all, I don't see them raising our skills without taking something away, which is why I so easily volunteered Archery and Throwing. I mean, if the revisions come with no if ands or buts, then I agree with you on what they should raise.

[Motenten]

Saevel -- Think you're using the wrong term for what you mean. All TP scaling (when TP affects damage) is linear, however many weaponskills have discontinuous functions (ie: different between 100-200 TP and between 200-300 TP). There is no "stepped" scaling.

What I've got in the current spreadsheet assumes a reduction in the attack penalty by 7.5% per 100 TP, giving it -20% @100 TP, -12.5% @200 TP, -5% @300 TP (calculations are done on the weaponskill page). I don't remember where I got the -5% from, and yes, it all needs more testing to more properly pin down the numbers.

However even moving it from -12.5% @200 TP to -15% (ie: scale up at 5% per 100 TP instead of 7.5%), that's a difference of getting effectively +7 att instead of +10 for the TP bonus. Overall, the 4 att/25 TP bonus earring is likely worth somewhere between +11 and +14 attack, total.

[saevel]

Saevel -- Think you're using the wrong term for what you mean. All TP scaling (when TP affects damage) is linear, however many weaponskills have discontinuous functions (ie: different between 100-200 TP and between 200-300 TP). There is no "stepped" scaling.

What I've got in the current spreadsheet assumes a reduction in the attack penalty by 7.5% per 100 TP, giving it -20% @100 TP, -12.5% @200 TP, -5% @300 TP (calculations are done on the weaponskill page). I don't remember where I got the -5% from, and yes, it all needs more testing to more properly pin down the numbers.

However even moving it from -12.5% @200 TP to -15% (ie: scale up at 5% per 100 TP instead of 7.5%), that's a difference of getting effectively +7 att instead of +10 for the TP bonus. Overall, the 4 att/25 TP bonus earring is likely worth somewhere between +11 and +14 attack, total.

Linearly between anchor points, when you graph then 100 to 300 (or 0 to 300 for BLU) it's not a flat line for every WS. Which is what I was saying, that without knowing how much attack reduction 200 and 300 have, then we can't figure out what 125 would be. I've been checking on BG and nothings in the wiki nor could I find any testing in the forums for the 200 / 300 penalty's. Biggest MND per ear is 4 with 3 being the most common. So we're comparing 3 MND @100% WSC vs some unknown attack value, between 7~12.

[Neisan_Quetz]

EDIT: Keeps changing when I change swords! Aquapearl is like 0.2% better for fodder using the current formula than Aesir. If moonshade is worth +11 attack it loses by the same amount.

[hideka]

you would think 1500 posts would tell SE something is being desired here....

[saevel]

Their not sure what they want to do with RDM. They know they want RDM's to buff themselves and enfeebles monsters, but not sure how to go about it with "breaking" the game (in their minds).

Honestly RDM melee is the one area that RDM really can't break anything game wise. We soloed all that stuff at 75 not because of melee capability but because of our enfeeble set and players abusing AI pathing.

[Kaych]

Duelle, I just have to compliment you for keeping this thread still alive. 1559 posts!!!

[Duelle]

Duelle, I just have to compliment you for keeping this thread still alive. 1559 posts!!!

Thank you. I just hope someone at SE is actually reading these posts and getting a read of what we're asking for.

Anyway, Saev mentioned the 500+ Enhancing skill set. I'm guessing he means:

Enhancing Torque = 7
Duelist's Tabard +2 = 15
Duelist's Gloves +2 = 18
Warlock's Tights = 15
Estoqueur's Houseaux +2 = 15
Estoqueur's Cape = 6
Olympus Sash = 5

Merits = 16

Base Skill @ 99 = 404

Total = 501

Which means 30 damage Enspells, 45.2 damage reduction on Phalanx, and approximately 20% double attack from Temper, if the math is correct. (note: Corrected base value. For some reason I assumed RDM had A+ in Enhancing instead of B+.)

Honestly RDM melee is the one area that RDM really can't break anything game wise. We soloed all that stuff at 75 not because of melee capability but because of our enfeeble set and players abusing AI pathing.

The funny thing is that it wasn't even enfeebling as a whole, but rather Bio DOT, Bind and Gravity. If they had nerfed Bio's DoT (and made it stack with Dia while they were at it), nerfed Bind to be more like a 2 second stagger on a running mob, and changed Gravity to a pure Evasion Down spell (and a much longer duration to compensate) without the running speed shenanigans, boss soloing would have died right where it started.