On Red Mage melee...

[saevel]

That War was terrible or at least playing the part of a terrible one.

And by what logic do you use to base this conclusion on? That he was dealing similar damage to an Emp RDM?

I've already gone over their parse data with a fine toothed comb, the WAR wasn't terrible, merely not an Emp WAR.

I smelled something wasn't quite right, I don't trust parses done by of RDM's who are not themselves a RDM, they usually have ulterior motives and tend to set the RDM up to fail. I played along and dealt out the whole "WAR must of been terrible" argument, the MNK took the bait and responded. The WAR wasn't terrible it turns out, the BLU was. The MNK was an outstandingly geared Emp monk who was CS tanking and also was parsing himself. He also pulled the dirty trick of "turned off the parse when someone (most likely him) died".

So really that parse was crap from the get out and the reason I tell people to ignore the "percent of total damage done" part of parses, it's meaningless. Instead look at the min / max / average damage per hit, average WS damage, melee accuracy, cure amount, damage taken and so forth.

[Economizer]

So really that parse was crap from the get out and the reason I tell people to ignore the "percent of total damage done" part of parses, it's meaningless. Instead look at the min / max / average damage per hit, average WS damage, melee accuracy, cure amount, damage taken and so forth.

Percentage of damage done won't tell you much if you have a Red Mage casting Dia III on a mob, hasting other people, or opening skillchains for other party members. All that extra damage is caused by the Red Mage.

[SpankWustler]

I smelled something wasn't quite right, I don't trust parses done by of RDM's who are not themselves a RDM, they usually have ulterior motives and tend to set the RDM up to fail. I played along and dealt out the whole "WAR must of been terrible" argument, the MNK took the bait and responded. The WAR wasn't terrible it turns out, the BLU was. The MNK was an outstandingly geared Emp monk who was CS tanking and also was parsing himself. He also pulled the dirty trick of "turned off the parse when someone (most likely him) died".

The Warrior was mediocre at best, and the Blue Mage was there for decorative purposes at best. The Blue Mage was actually so awful that some people thought there might be an error somewhere because of his low accuracy and other numbers, until things were examined.

I'd say that Doom performed very well, and it goes to show that effort and intelligent equipment are more important than many things. I hope to see something similar after Temper is out.

Instead look at the min / max / average damage per hit, average WS damage, melee accuracy, cure amount, damage taken and so forth.

When you can escape the grips of your crippling paranoia, you post some intelligent things. Actual performance is equally important to performance compared to the worst Blue Mage to ever be Blue on a Mage, or compared to a well-equipped Monk for that matter. I think a lot of folks already know this, but it bears repeating.

If there was any issue with the parse, honestly, it was that everyone but Gokku and Doombringer weren't so hot. The Warrior and the Blue Mage provided less than stellar damage, and Doombringer had to take over Hastes and help with Cures for a bit for some reason which I'm sure detracted from the result.

I think it was cool of Doom to help out with that stuff even knowing it would have a negative effect on his damage while being parsed, but yeah.

[Neisan_Quetz]

* 12% haste in TP set
* V bhuj
* fulltime what looks to be Spiral Ring
* Aesir Ear pendant
* Ares Cuirass
*Pole Grip and maining RR

That war was terrible.

[saevel]

* 12% haste in TP set
* V bhuj
* fulltime what looks to be Spiral Ring
* Aesir Ear pendant
* Ares Cuirass
*Pole Grip and maining RR

That war was terrible.

You do realize that's average right?

Jesus are we back to the days of "everyone must have a relic or their gimp"?

Seriously RDM TP gear, with the exception of a few pieces is on the same level of what you just quoted. The fact that he had a V bhuj and an Ares Cuirass places him slightly above the average.

Learn what 50% means, its not 1%, 5%, 10% or 20%, its 50% and thus average. If you line up 100 random WAR's and do a gear check, what level will 50% of them be at, that level is thus "average" not the two to five who are extremely well geared.

[cidbahamut]

Because capping haste is hard for WAR, right?

If you line up 100 random Warriors, most of them will be terrible gimps with no idea of how to gear themselves, but I don't see how that's really relevant to anything other than a discussion of how ignorant the playerbase may or may not be.

[Karbuncle]

lol @ 12% Haste being average.

it doesn't help a debate to exaggerate. Average is 25%/26%(shown) Haste in gear. Anything below that is tard-tier for a DD (especially a WAR...)

[Economizer]

lol @ 12% Haste being average.

I have 19% Haste on White Mage with easy to get gear (the single hardest piece to get was a Swift Belt) for my melee set.

While I wouldn't tell the Warrior with 12% Haste gear anything about it (especially if we weren't having any trouble killing the mob), I wouldn't think that was average Warrior performance either, unless the WAR had some sort of insane setup that made it out damage a Ninja with capped delay reduction with only 12% Haste.

[Rayik]

12% haste is pretty bad, honestly. You can get 13% for next to nothing, just Wally turban, NQ dusk hands and feet, Headlong belt. WAR gets crazy amounts of haste gear. My WAR is nothing special, and I have more haste gear than I know what to do with.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

23% Haste is probably more average for almost all jobs.