On Red Mage melee...

[Duelle]

If you enjoy being a mage-only RDM, then continue enjoying that. Nobody is taking it away from you. If you enjoy swinging your sword, enjoy that too. Trying to make one side out better than the other, or saying someone is wrong for playing how they enjoy, is just ignorant trolling.

I agree with you. Most of us want to keep some semblance of the caster gameplay intact. I think I've been the only one willing to say "ok we can take from X and replace with Y to create the melee/front line focus". Other than that, the others have been staunch about not changing one but simply adding to the other.

[Rayik]

I'm not sure I agree with that. In any given situation one style will be more useful than the other, the problem is that we don't have an agreed upon method of measuring that.

Right on. I'm not saying we should be able to melee 100% of the time, and I've never said that. There are many situations(currently 90% of the time) where melee'ing is not an option. But in those situations, it's a good thing we have all this magic we can use too.

A versatile hybrid job is not going to be one thing all the time. And I agree, we don't really have much of a measure of when it's ok or not to do certain things, but our magic is so strong(compared to our melee currently) that we can safely do that in place of those unsure times.

[Rayik]

I agree with you. Most of us want to keep some semblance of the caster gameplay intact. I think I've been the only one willing to say "ok we can take from X and replace with Y to create the melee/front line focus". Other than that, the others have been staunch about not changing one but simply adding to the other.

I'm one of those others that doesn't want to see anything taken away from our magic, since all the other mages in the game cast rings around us already. Our magic is the one thing we can do well and even then we're getting dirt kicked in our faces by other jobs getting our former EX enfeebles, AoE versions of our buffs, and NM's being immune to our enfeebles. At this point doing anything negative to our magic would be devastating.

[Rosina]

just read the front page.

I melee'ed rdm, and it is not all that hard to do. First off your auto attack is still active when you cast. And at times your casting anime is over ridden with an attack. Second red mage is a light damage class much like thief. RDM do not need to dish out huge damage, they do more for the part then just dmg. And people lost the umderstanding of basic rpg things. Personally speaking, I had no issues with my buffing, debuffing, refreshing while melee. Just gotta keep up with a routine. As for the resists, well honestly even with the best gear resist can happen. I people forgot what it meant to play a video game, no one has any right to change how a person plays. As long as you work as a team (no matter the playstyle) you can get stuff done. teamwork is not forcing people a certain way it is using your strangths to over come others weaknesses. Rdm is about being versitile. not a backline batterery.

[cidbahamut]

You have nothing to add to this discussion Rosina. Go read through the previous 133 pages and get back to us.

[SpankWustler]

First off your auto attack is still active when you cast. And at times your casting anime is over ridden with an attack.

Actions and the associated animations are often less than synchronized, so while does seem this way from simply eyeballing, such is not the case.

Edit: Not even sure why I posted this, since everybody knows this. I have strange compulsions.

[BorkBorkBork]

just read the front page.

I melee'ed rdm, and it is not all that hard to do. First off your auto attack is still active when you cast. And at times your casting anime is over ridden with an attack. Second red mage is a light damage class much like thief. RDM do not need to dish out huge damage, they do more for the part then just dmg. And people lost the umderstanding of basic rpg things. Personally speaking, I had no issues with my buffing, debuffing, refreshing while melee. Just gotta keep up with a routine. As for the resists, well honestly even with the best gear resist can happen. I people forgot what it meant to play a video game, no one has any right to change how a person plays. As long as you work as a team (no matter the playstyle) you can get stuff done. teamwork is not forcing people a certain way it is using your strangths to over come others weaknesses. Rdm is about being versitile. not a backline batterery.

Any thought to needlessly adding tp for not much gain besides saying that your meleeing? Theres a time and place for everything but unfortunately as it is rdm is not anywhere close to being a light DD unless you have a emph. Even then most likely you have a job thats "currently" more helpful. There was a time and place for rdm melee mainly as a tank and maybe there will be again but people need to step back and realize what rdm currently is and accept it until SE finishes balancing the jobs.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Any thought to needlessly adding tp for not much gain besides saying that your meleeing? Theres a time and place for everything but unfortunately as it is rdm is not anywhere close to being a light DD unless you have a emph. Even then most likely you have a job thats "currently" more helpful. There was a time and place for rdm melee mainly as a tank and maybe there will be again but people need to step back and realize what rdm currently is and accept it until SE finishes balancing the jobs.

At the moment it isn't anything.

[Shiyo]

I don't understand how this thread is 134 pages long when every piece of RDM's AF3 has caster stats on them and not a single piece has any melee oriented stat at all. Take a hint?

[Daniel_Hatcher]

I don't understand how this thread is 134 pages long when every piece of RDM's AF3 has caster stats on them and not a single piece has any melee oriented stat at all. Take a hint?

Blah blah, still so boring!!! YAWN!!!!