On Red Mage melee...

[Doombringer]

if it doesn't matter then why do you keep bringing it up?

you're the one pulling "never do 10%" out of the sky like it makes you right.

edit: also, gokku is certainly not a full pink dd, lvl 90 verethragna, black belt, full af3+2, and he was even tanking. so more dmg from counter

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Hmm... Interesting..

Nice to see Shiyo is starting to post where she belongs. lol

Shiyo:
Before colibri, I hasted, refreshed, cured, debuffed, MBed and CCed mobs. I'm pretty sure this is what they want RDM to be, it was so fun back then


I was the ultimate support mage, yes a brd had better buffs but they weren't a "mage". Give me better buffs and superior cures to a /whm to bring RDM back into the playing field. Haste2 , bravery, faith, temper party castable plz.

I've never been a melee RDM, and never will be. I play the job right, meleeing is NOT right. Wanna be a melee RDM? Play NIN, blu, or dnc.

The only reason that this makes me laugh is because she never had RDM at 75 and only now has RDM because she abyssea burned it. Just dont get why she acts like shes been a RDM forever. At 75, she was all pro SCH and how RDM, WHM, BLM where horrible jobs compared to SCH.

[Shiyo]

Parses still show nothing.

[Seriha]

I see we're playing the Every Mob is a Malboro game. Can I have a tentacle?

[Duelle]

this isn't WOW

Well, no. If this were WoW, DRK would have a pure physical DPS option, a magic+physical DPS option (where elemental nukes would scale off Attack Power or STR instead of MAB) and a tank option, PLD would have a tank option and a DPS option, RDM would have caster DPS, Healer, and Magic Melee DPS options, BST would have actual control over their pets with notable benefits from certain types of pets, THF would have something more worthwhile than Treasure Hunter and Bully, Ranger would probably be in a better spot, WAR and MNK would still share their throne as kings of DPS, and so on (and all options for each class would be viable for events/raids/dungeons). Granted, we'd also have massive crying by people from X class asking for Y class to get nerfed, and often-uninsightful posts from developers every now and then, a developer team focused on pumping out expansions every year, and by now Trion, Prishe and Ajido-marujido would have formed an unholy triumvirate that would cause them to go "insane", turning them into loot pinatas--I mean, raid bosses. Both have their ups and downs.

[Lilia]

maybe shiyo melee with relic set and joytoy and a shield.... maybe then 10%

oh and i see on my server rdm melee in mage equip and joytoy >.<

[saevel]

Nice to see Shiyo is starting to post where she belongs. lol

Shiyo:
Before colibri, I hasted, refreshed, cured, debuffed, MBed and CCed mobs. I'm pretty sure this is what they want RDM to be, it was so fun back then


I was the ultimate support mage, yes a brd had better buffs but they weren't a "mage". Give me better buffs and superior cures to a /whm to bring RDM back into the playing field. Haste2 , bravery, faith, temper party castable plz.

I've never been a melee RDM, and never will be. I play the job right, meleeing is NOT right. Wanna be a melee RDM? Play NIN, blu, or dnc.

The only reason that this makes me laugh is because she never had RDM at 75 and only now has RDM because she abyssea burned it. Just dont get why she acts like shes been a RDM forever. At 75, she was all pro SCH and how RDM, WHM, BLM where horrible jobs compared to SCH.

And this is exactly what most of the anti-melee posters are. Their not RDM's, their ~insert other non popular job~ and used RDM to get invites into HNM groups and merit parties. Now their using WHM / BLM / NIN to accomplish this. They don't' play the job, have zero interesting in a balanced game nor a balanced job assortment. Instead they would prefer SE to take whatever dev's are working on RDM updates and have them work on other non RDM related updates. Baring that they'd want the dev's work on RDM updates to instead make a buff for everyone else and put it on RDM, this way everyone gets something ~except~ the original RDM's.

That attitude is so blatantly obvious that it makes me sick. They couldn't even attempt to hide it like ShadowEdge does.

[cidbahamut]

What makes me sick is your rhetoric implying that those of us who started life as a Red Mage and play it almost to the exclusion of every other job, but happen to disagree with you are somehow not Red Mages.

[Rayik]

What makes me sick is your rhetoric implying that those of us who started life as a Red Mage and play it almost to the exclusion of every other job, but happen to disagree with you are somehow not Red Mages.

I agree with this statement, and again this goes to both sides of the argument.

If you enjoy being a mage-only RDM, then continue enjoying that. Nobody is taking it away from you. If you enjoy swinging your sword, enjoy that too. Trying to make one side out better than the other, or saying someone is wrong for playing how they enjoy, is just ignorant trolling.

Shiyo, you have been shut down at every turn. Doom parsed against "true DD's" and came out with favorable numbers. We're even getting Temper. What have you contributed to the conversation besides mindless trolling?

Don't like melee? Then don't do it.

[cidbahamut]

If you enjoy being a mage-only RDM, then continue enjoying that. Nobody is taking it away from you. If you enjoy swinging your sword, enjoy that too. Trying to make one side out better than the other, or saying someone is wrong for playing how they enjoy, is just ignorant trolling.

I'm not sure I agree with that. In any given situation one style will be more useful than the other, the problem is that we don't have an agreed upon method of measuring that.