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  1. #1021
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doombringer View Post
    well i'm proud of me <.<

    half of an optimized/nearly optimized mnk? i'll take it...



    for now >.>
    For what it's worth Doom, I'm impressed. Cheers to you stepping up to the plate and doing well for yourself - and on short notice, for that matter.
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    -- Fan of Abyssea and FFXI's New Direction --
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyrist View Post
    Out of context, neither am I. Hold on *backreads*



    Ah.

    Loosing 6mp/tic (Earring, Body (2), Hat, boot/gloves (1)... and I'm guessing the augmented undies, god please tell me there's an alternative.) Is kind of irrelevant in the contexts you WOULD be meleeing, as your casting load is simply not that high.

    And by casting load I mean main healing (in situations in which incoming damage is high or debuffs on the party members are plentiful), being the primary magic proc (Dynamis) or nuking your face off.

    Not that our idle gear hasn't gotten dead sexy in the time I've been away. It has. Getting those pieces are kind of a priority for me right now. But there hasn't been much in the way of increased casting difficulty/load for us yet in any situation in which we'd front line, and we've already gotten an additional 3 mp/tic, buff duration enhancements, and a crap ton of other bonuses through gear that have actually offset our overall costs. Which will be even more MP efficient if/when we get Cure V.

    There's a reason why it's called 'idle' gear. However. We're supposed to be wearing it when we're not doing anything. (and yes, duh, I realize we can piecemeal it to have some form of constant refresh while casting.) And honestly, especially for the back line. I want to be doing more.
    Hyrist said it better than I could. Gear swap into Refresh gear while idling. Done.

    While we're at it, I'll just say right now my melee gear set is not that great, it's still heavily a work in progress. Actually, it's pretty gimp. Given how sub-optimal melee RDM even is in this game at the moment, getting help to get the better stuff isn't easy. It's pretty much been nothing more than something to do on the side for fun.

    My opinion, bottom line, if you want to stand in the back and just toss cures and buffs, just be a WHM. I'm a fan of hyrbids and multitasking, so juggling melee and spellcasting appeals to me. Standing in the back curing is the most boring thing to me.
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  3. #1023
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurara View Post
    So are you ever going to bring up valid arguments other than attacking my about things that arent even related to final fantasy xi. If that's the case, show us your gear sets for meleeing, show us the people you play with, show us how you play even, if you can't do that then you should probably stop arguing because I can ask the same thing of you, but if I did that you would make up some silly excuse as to why you couldn't.


    Again, you spent more of your argument going off of baseless assumptions; repeatedly bringing up "stop playing with gimp players", as if you were somehow watching me play at all times(creepy), while I gave multiple examples of what I was talking about with in-game mechanics. Please, I am genuinely asking you, where did I bring up a silly excuse for anything? Because I refuse to parse lolmeleeRDM against a specialist DD?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aurara View Post
    6 man voidwatch vid on youtube: pld cor rdm whm smnx2. So sorry wut.
    Was this supposed to be a link? This isn't even a sentence. Your posts hurt my brain.
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  4. #1024
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    aye. my ls is supposed to be doing zelus tiaras.. tonight... hows that for a sad coincidence? even worse.. we were supposed to do it last week! but it never got off the ground. i coulda HAD one for this ><

    but what are you gonna do? at least at 90 cap, any warning i had beforehand woulda just been used the same way.. i was chasing tiara ANYWAY yah know? this is my rdm "as is" even down to keeping melee food in the mog sack at all times.


    also just to give some context and answer some questions/comments i've read here and on bg:

    i only rarely hasted gokku. left that up to the whm usually. only casted it on others if asked, wich was infrequent.

    i was keeping fresh2 on myself, the whm, AND the blu. the blu i considered non-critical. so he only ever got it during pulls/etc. minimal impact on my dmg from him.

    i don't have dia3, at all. but for the sake of argument i dunno how much it would matter? would it have helped either of us more than the other?

    i didn't "pick" brisk mask.. as stated above.. i'd wear a zelus in a heartbeat..... but i don't have it :\

    as for my casting load, i started out trying to keep it as light as possible. (was told to just play it like a DD) but it quickly became apparent that the whm was... overwhelmed.... so for most of the parse i was doing sleep/silence/light cureing. still less than what would normally be asked of an rdm in a pickup group, however.

    my almace is only 85, for whatever that's worth. the screenshot doesn't show so just figured i'd mention it

    and i was eating food, hedgehog pie. dunno about the randoms. i believe gokku was eating marbled steak. nearly identical.


    i think that's all i have to add.. of course gokku has all the real numbers anyway.. i play on xbox so i couldn't even parse myself if i wanted to.. so this was interesting for me, and i thank him for his time.


    edit: realized i was calling gokku "guk".. like as in gukumatz i guess... dunno why. trauma maybe.... burned into my psyche........
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    Last edited by Doombringer; 07-20-2011 at 10:21 PM.

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    Couldn't you grab a Walahra Turban to tide you over until your shell goes after Zelus Tiara? Might be worth it if you LS keeps flaking out on you.
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  6. #1026
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyrist View Post
    I'm not going to waste my breath arguing 4 year old data.
    oh you meant a rdm was able to do 80% of a sam BEFORE 2handed weapon update and before hasso? in this case i can aggre

    Multiple parses have backed this ~80% claim and while the example parse posted was...slightly old...I have seen other ones since then that have continued to back the 80% claim.
    can find multiple parse of a sam doing 80%(or lower) of another sam when the should do the same
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    Last edited by hiko; 07-20-2011 at 10:21 PM.

  7. #1027
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersun View Post
    Why would you use a MAB sword when you can use a magic defense down sword.

    You can get some ridiculous numbers with that thing.

    Seriously, Blms practically have a mini-orgasm when that effect is up.

    Of course to actually make it worthwhile you have to pretty much single wield it and drop your enspell.
    Going back to this for a moment, I do have a question about how added effect weapons take effect. This is not a question about optimal play, I'm curious how a game mechanic works:

    Hypothetically, if you dual-wielded two different weapons with an added effect property, let's say main hand has Magic Defense Down, and off-hand has Magic Evasion Down, would the effects both be active if they proc'ed? Or would one effect overwrite the other? I understand en-spells don't work with them, but would they activate independently?

    For that matter, could you wield two weapons with the same added effect, and stack the effect? I'm asking because I genuinely do not know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayik View Post
    Again, you spent more of your argument going off of baseless assumptions; repeatedly bringing up "stop playing with gimp players", as if you were somehow watching me play at all times(creepy), while I gave multiple examples of what I was talking about with in-game mechanics. Please, I am genuinely asking you, where did I bring up a silly excuse for anything? Because I refuse to parse lolmeleeRDM against a specialist DD?
    If you spent more time arguing about the actual topic instead of pointing out my grammar mistakes and making personal attacks instead of attacking/arguing with what I'm actually saying you would realize you look really foolish.


    Was this supposed to be a link? This isn't even a sentence. Your posts hurt my brain.
    See, here you go again, attacking my grammar without an actual counter-argument. If you think my posts make your brain hurt, how about YOUR posts making everyone else's brain hurt. Here is the video since you obviously can't search youtube properly:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ReopFQsirQ
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  9. #1029
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    Doombringer, mind posting your WS set for us? (Enhancing set too if you don't mind.)

    Also I'm noticing 15 Light Skillchains, but of relatively low damage, was that you closing on Goku or some other cause? (Victory Smite is listed to being able to close on itself with light, was wondering if this is the same with CDC's light element, meaning you could have opened for Goku. I tend to focus on opening skillchains for burst damage increase rather than push individual DPS numbers, our WS numbers are never that great.)

    i don't have dia3, at all. but for the sake of argument i dunno how much it would matter? would it have helped either of us more than the other?
    Probably would have benefited you more than than Goku, as defense reductions often benefit the lower attack jobs. I would have let the Bard double March and focused on a brief Dia 3 as each mob as pulled/agroed. You might have suffered from the casting time and not having capped gear haste especially, but the party would have preformed better.

    In the respect of this context, the Blue Mage would have benefited the most from Dia III, as the defense calculations would have factored into his spell damage as well.

    Gear wise I'd recommend getting Goliard when you can. ACP Body likely won't outweigh haste benefits in most cases due to the way scaling haste works. Having that haste capped is critical.

    I'm assuming your offhand is Chimeric Fluret. Do you have plans on going for a DA Khanda soon? Seems to be the best offhand for Sword when dual wielding, especially to abuse the crap out of Almace's Aftermath. (A BLU concept, but should still be sound for RDM) Otherwise you probably would have been better of /WAR in this case (Fencer, DA, Warcry, Zerk). The Fluret, while a nice sword, was likely holding your Almace back this time around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurara View Post
    Is there a timeframe when that video actually gets interesting? RDM does almost nothing and I don't see how people are ok with that sort of role for the RDM.

    ... I mean... he Saboteur'ed Poison II...

    I really do hope SE fills that tall order into making us right buff/debuff specialists for endgame.
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