Magic Damage is Weak

[Schrute]

I want to be able to deal more magic damage while on BLM than I currently am able. Even with the same amount of support as any other 2 handed weapon wielding job I cannot come anywhere as close to dealing the same amount of damage. I wouldn't mind if I had to deal less damage all at once, if I were able to deal more magic damage over time. Even if I try to get into close combat to deal damage with a staff in addition to damage with magic I cannot even come close to WAR DRK DRG MNK on account of my abysmal weaponskill repertoire. BLM simply isn't fun the way it used to be, and that's not because my preferences have changed.

Another problem I have is that mage gear is really bad compared to melee gear. The amount of status resistance, damage taken, and haste gear is just atrocious. I also think it's silly that on the Ares' Cuirass +1 they have say STR +16 VIT +16 Attack +6%. Meanwhile morrigan's robe +1 gets INT +12 MND +12 STR +12 and a static amount of magic attack +13. Is it really so game breaking to add Magic attack +6%? Gear that clearly favors heavy melee and support abilities that do more for melee damage than magic damage is upsetting to someone who wants to cast big fire balls and devastating thunderstorms etc.

a good blm is still in top tier in DD's in any situation. full magian staves full nares (-the legs of course), a push down macro for sorcerer's ring, ect, ect. On the right day and with a sch with the right weather you can pump out huge numbers and go toe to toe with rag wars and rag drks. in Void watch mp should never be an issue, get all your temp key items. in abysea with the right atmas you should be a god.

I understand this thread is about making blm more powerful, I'm a career blm and am all for it, but 6% MAB is broken, that's a lot lol. If you are dead serious about blm you should at the very least strive for all the magian trial staves and full nares. If you have no life and want to be king of the blm's make the mythic blm staff lol.

And yes in Void watch you will need to proc, not just spam you're most potent spells, this is identical to any idiot with a rag spamming reso and going for procs.

The mori +1 body looks pretty name good, same with the feet. Would love to mix those in with the nares set and test everything out.

If you want my honest opinion of how blm can become more powerful, is if they fix the skillchain window. if a skill chain goes off, it should stay open and not immediately closed from another WS. this would make a lot of pieces such as magic burst damage gear relavent, and AND AND this fosters skill full play BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Do not have to increase magic bursting dmg because it is awsome because with the right gear and timing you can squeeze in 2 nukes easy 3 if you're good.

7k magic bursts on thunders day with thunders weather against Pil... done it, fun stuff.

getting an alliance to call out coordinate skillchains, never going to happen in VW lol.

I love blm, and wish I didn't have to make a mythic staff, maybe the new expansion will have new relic type weapons.

[Arcon]

a good blm is still in top tier in DD's in any situation. full magian staves full nares (-the legs of course), a push down macro for sorcerer's ring, ect, ect. On the right day and with a sch with the right weather you can pump out huge numbers and go toe to toe with rag wars and rag drks.

That is wrong on every conceivable level. My THF will out damage your BLM in any given situation and THF sucks as a DD. I don't know of any melee at all that would lose to a BLM in dealing damage.

in Void watch mp should never be an issue, get all your temp key items. in abysea with the right atmas you should be a god.

Also both completely wrong. You can run out of MP in Abyssea with no problems whatsoever, it's harder in Voidwatch but if you're screwed on procs it will still happen.

I understand this thread is about making blm more powerful, I'm a career blm and am all for it, but 6% MAB is broken, that's a lot lol.

6% MAB will increase a BLM's average damage by exactly 6%, which is absolutely nothing considering how little damage they're dealing right now.

If you are dead serious about blm you should at the very least strive for all the magian trial staves and full nares. If you have no life and want to be king of the blm's make the mythic blm staff lol.

Having all the magian trial staves is useless because you'll only ever need two or three, and not all of Nares is good for BLM. The BLM mythic is only good for Meteor, otherwise the magian staves blow it out of the water. And you don't need to give up your life to get it, it's about three relics worth, and three relics aren't that hard to get these days either. It's annoying and tedious, but casual players can get it within a year if they farm daily for 2h in either Dynamis or Salvage.

And yes in Void watch you will need to proc, not just spam you're most potent spells, this is identical to any idiot with a rag spamming reso and going for procs.

Mages should be proccing, always, while melees should be DDing, most of the time. There are very good reasons for why this is done and has nothing to do with idiot Ragnarok owners, simply because a melee's DD potential is amazing compared to a BLM, and switching to a proc weapon to get a grellow weakness stagger will essentially disable the melee for all this time, which would net you less than it would cost you.

[Tptn937]

a good blm is still in top tier in DD's in any situation. full magian staves full nares (-the legs of course), a push down macro for sorcerer's ring, ect, ect. On the right day and with a sch with the right weather you can pump out huge numbers and go toe to toe with rag wars and rag drks. in Void watch mp should never be an issue, get all your temp key items. in abysea with the right atmas you should be a god.

I understand this thread is about making blm more powerful, I'm a career blm and am all for it, but 6% MAB is broken, that's a lot lol. If you are dead serious about blm you should at the very least strive for all the magian trial staves and full nares. If you have no life and want to be king of the blm's make the mythic blm staff lol.

And yes in Void watch you will need to proc, not just spam you're most potent spells, this is identical to any idiot with a rag spamming reso and going for procs.

The mori +1 body looks pretty name good, same with the feet. Would love to mix those in with the nares set and test everything out.

If you want my honest opinion of how blm can become more powerful, is if they fix the skillchain window. if a skill chain goes off, it should stay open and not immediately closed from another WS. this would make a lot of pieces such as magic burst damage gear relavent, and AND AND this fosters skill full play BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Do not have to increase magic bursting dmg because it is awsome because with the right gear and timing you can squeeze in 2 nukes easy 3 if you're good.

7k magic bursts on thunders day with thunders weather against Pil... done it, fun stuff.

getting an alliance to call out coordinate skillchains, never going to happen in VW lol.

I love blm, and wish I didn't have to make a mythic staff, maybe the new expansion will have new relic type weapons.

Thanks for bringing this up Schrute. I have the Nares set, I have every mdmg ToM staff, I have every macc ToM staff, I have full nares, I have valkyrie's trews with augment(0/6 on akasha chaps with full TH11+, bonus to spoils), I have 3/5 spurrina pieces, I use a sorcerer's ring, I have capped PDT, MDT, all obis, all weather/day gear. I even have a melee set with capped haste. In short, I have almost every item in the game for BLM. I always lose parse to mythic DRK, DRG, SAM in voidwatch- but steamroll ANY other DD. I have capped fastcast and always proc my assigned spells. The problem isn't me, I am a career BLM and am currently working on mythic 5000/30000 and need only 50000 tokens for the other requirements. The problem is this polarizing event where mp is capped and the monster cannot interact with players because it is unable to move or perform actions.

Voidwatch is not endgame content folks. Legion is the new measuring stick, and half the monsters are immune or resistant to magic damage. In 30 minutes time there is a lot to expect out the alliance, and a mage oriented alliance isn't an option. When was the last time you saw an alliance of 3 PLD, 2 WHM, 2 SCH, 1 RDM, 2 BRD, 3 COR, 5 BLM demolishing monsters with nukes? This isn't even a problem with the enmity system. BRD and SCH offer -32 enmity to an alliance of mages with Foe Sirvante and Animus Minuo and BLM can easily fit the rest of the enmity pieces into their nuke set. The problem here is that monsters take almost no magic damage, even with capped haste on BLM, mp eventually becomes an issue with a relic bard, evokers roll, refresh II. Why don't all monsters have mp to aspir?? Why do half of the monsters take no magic damage?? Why is it that 2 BRDs offer capped haste, attack, and accuracy, reduced lethal damage to melee but only offer mages 32 INT(which decays), 21 mp/tic, and you still have to make a decision to either get capped haste or -22 enmity based on meriting options? (This is assuming 99 horn, harp).

I am tired of limited strategies that must include melee DDs to clear the hardest of content. I want to take an alliance of magical DDs and kill stuff that way. By taking an alliance of mages the fight becomes more dynamic IMO. I don't want to play a melee job where I just use the same WS over and over. In my opinion you should be able to clear content with zergs if you want, nuke fests, or even pet parties if they're all the best in the game and have a good strategy. I don't like being pigeon-holed into using SCH/BLM for every event (Edited forgot event) where monsters are able to attack back.

I must admit I was super surprised to see the enfeebling magic update. It was a huge step in the right direction. Sadly that wasn't completed for all aspects of the game. How many other mages can say they've slept a Cerberus in Legion Hall of Ki? Yeah, it's still hard to land, and no- I didn't have to use elemental seal. By making monsters immune to magical spells and abilities you cut off many strategies that could otherwise be attempted.

Thanks for deciding to try to attack my play style as the source behind my poor results, I like to brag about how much better I am than most mages. Sadly, not all mages can be expected to put in as much work as I. I don't expect to win any legion hall by myself either, so I suspect that the bar shouldn't be so high if I want to work as a team with other magical DDs.

[Arcon]

I would love to in get contest of who can do better dmg of my blm and your thf, I've seen thfs out parse some of the best dd so i would love the challenge.

No, you haven't.

Only using 2-3 staves is dumb if you are a career blm because you lose out on reaching you're full potential damage wise.

Why? Name one mob for which you need full earth damage potential. I'll let Fire and Wind slide in horribly situational scenarios (in scenarios where you shouldn't be DDing in the first place), but that's about it.

As far as the myhic blm stave with enough mab gear with lvl 2 aftermath it beats out magian staves, after playing with a blm who has one and witnessed itself in action.

Yes, with Lv2 Aftermath it would actually win. That's good for showing off, I admit, but that's where the usefulness ends. BLM can not maintain that Aftermath while still trying to deal damage, because casting invariably takes time away from meleeing. And without the Aftermath the boost by 60 MAB is not very interesting. Assuming 100 MAB (mRatio of 2.0), you'd gain a boost of 30%, which is 5% behind magian trial staves. And the more MAB gear SE releases, the less useful BLM mythic will become, while trial staves will always maintain their 35% damage boost, because it's applied after MAB.

Making a mythic, as you put it, sounds great on paper but you left out a lot. I consider myself a hardcore player, but there is a lot more hoops to jump through than getting the alexanderite. There's a lot of information on how long it would take just to get the assaults, tokens, and ampules done for the weapon ontop of farming dyna once a day and salvage once a day. unless you tri-box it or have 2 other friends that are willing to do salvage, assaults, and nyzule every day it's going to take longer. In other words i would suggest a hardcore player would prbly take 3 months to a year, a casual player would be a year and longer, but that's probably our difference in our definition of a casual or hardcore player.

It's not, I agree, and even regarding that it's still doable within a year. It used to be a lot more difficult before the Einherjar adjustment, but now you can spam T3s daily if you wanted to, and get the necessary points in less than two months. I mentioned Dynamis in case you do not have three other people to spam Salvage with. If you can do both daily, I wouldn't call it casual playing anymore though, but that's just me. Assault statics are easier to build than you'd think, because interest in the Captain rank is still high (partly due to other people going after mythics) and take less than three hours off weekly. The only problem is killing the ToAU beastmen kings. But still, compared to the Alex requirements it's negligible. Killing them is not a problem, considering how many people are after them and you can team up with, only finding them up is. It's easier after a maintenance though.

I drill this, because this is something I would really love to see, have the magic burst window stay open and not close as soon as another weapon skill goes off. Even having multiple windows open for magic bursting would be ideal. Having DD's find skillchain partners, blm's waiting and watching intently for that magical moment and then start dropping bombs!

While I would love to see that as well, waiting for a SC to go off will probably cost you more damage than you would gain from the magic burst. The only benefit would be in damage per MP output, but damage per time itself would drag. It would be nice to randomly see MB's go off though.

Also, spike damage is the worst kind of damage in the game, and always has been. If you can choose between consistent low damage versus sporadic high damage, the first will win in virtually all situations.

I always lose parse to mythic DRK, DRG, SAM in voidwatch- but steamroll ANY other DD.

No, you don't.

[Schrute]

Thanks for bringing this up Schrute. I have the Nares set, I have every mdmg ToM staff, I have every macc ToM staff, I have full nares, I have valkyrie's trews with augment(0/6 on akasha chaps with full TH11+, bonus to spoils), I have 3/5 spurrina pieces, I use a sorcerer's ring, I have capped PDT, MDT, all obis, all weather/day gear. I even have a melee set with capped haste. In short, I have almost every item in the game for BLM. I always lose parse to mythic DRK, DRG, SAM in voidwatch- but steamroll ANY other DD. I have capped fastcast and always proc my assigned spells. The problem isn't me, I am a career BLM and am currently working on mythic 5000/30000 and need only 50000 tokens for the other requirements. The problem is this polarizing event where mp is capped and the monster cannot interact with players because it is unable to move or perform actions.

Voidwatch is not endgame content folks. Legion is the new measuring stick, and half the monsters are immune or resistant to magic damage. In 30 minutes time there is a lot to expect out the alliance, and a mage oriented alliance isn't an option. When was the last time you saw an alliance of 3 PLD, 2 WHM, 2 SCH, 1 RDM, 2 BRD, 3 COR, 5 BLM demolishing monsters with nukes? This isn't even a problem with the enmity system. BRD and SCH offer -32 enmity to an alliance of mages with Foe Sirvante and Animus Minuo and BLM can easily fit the rest of the enmity pieces into their nuke set. The problem here is that monsters take almost no magic damage, even with capped haste on BLM, mp eventually becomes an issue with a relic bard, evokers roll, refresh II. Why don't all monsters have mp to aspir?? Why do half of the monsters take no magic damage?? Why is it that 2 BRDs offer capped haste, attack, and accuracy, reduced lethal damage to melee but only offer mages 32 INT(which decays), 21 mp/tic, and you still have to make a decision to either get capped haste or -22 enmity based on meriting options? (This is assuming 99 horn, harp).

I am tired of limited strategies that must include melee DDs to clear the hardest of content. I want to take an alliance of magical DDs and kill stuff that way. By taking an alliance of mages the fight becomes more dynamic IMO. I don't want to play a melee job where I just use the same WS over and over. In my opinion you should be able to clear content with zergs if you want, nuke fests, or even pet parties if they're all the best in the game and have a good strategy. I don't like being pigeon-holed into using SCH/BLM for every event (Edited forgot event) where monsters are able to attack back.

I must admit I was super surprised to see the enfeebling magic update. It was a huge step in the right direction. Sadly that wasn't completed for all aspects of the game. How many other mages can say they've slept a Cerberus in Legion Hall of Ki? Yeah, it's still hard to land, and no- I didn't have to use elemental seal. By making monsters immune to magical spells and abilities you cut off many strategies that could otherwise be attempted.

Thanks for deciding to try to attack my play style as the source behind my poor results, I like to brag about how much better I am than most mages. Sadly, not all mages can be expected to put in as much work as I. I don't expect to win any legion hall by myself either, so I suspect that the bar shouldn't be so high if I want to work as a team with other magical DDs.

Great to see a fellow blm back me up on how great blm can be if you put in the time to gear and play it properly. Always wanted to make a mythic for blm, might just set that to be my goal after i finish ukon 99 to go with my rag 99. I agree legion is not blm friendly at all nor is it crit ws friendly either.

You have more staves than my mythic blm friend lol and i find this most awesome. I agree with you, content shouldn't be designed around just melle. AOE etudes are nice but would love to see some MAB songs for the DD mages. MAB food was mentioned and is also a great idea. I would never expect a blm to outparse rag drk/war, relic/empy mnks, or mythic/relic/empy sams on their best day, but staying on their heals is an incredible accomplishment in terms of your skill and love of the job.

I wish this thread might get some attention from the producer and devs. A lot of great ideas