New Graphics Stabilization optioin

[Glamdring]

No the 29.9fps limit (its not 30) has to do with their sh!tty engine. They somehow got it in their head that the PC and PS2 should share experiences and programmed the PC engine to operate at NTSC speeds. Many of the artifacts and problems with the PC engine of FFXI is that it's not only DX8 but poorly coded DX8.

Also are you setting background resolution to the same as overlay and thus letting NVidia do all the AA, or are we still using the old 2x supersampling method?

you also forget, you can actually still play this game on a telephone modem (I think anything 28.8 and over). It runs like crap, but it DOES run. And I'm pretty sure any FPS rate over that level would kill telephone support.

Nonetheless, SUPER pumpped about this, I haven't been able to play more than 120 (usually about 60) minutes without a boot in over a year. I hope my nVidia 9400GT is one of the "fixed" cards. I actually took up WoW-not because it's any good, just because they actually let me play.

[saevel]

you also forget, you can actually still play this game on a telephone modem (I think anything 28.8 and over). It runs like crap, but it DOES run. And I'm pretty sure any FPS rate over that level would kill telephone support.

Nonetheless, SUPER pumpped about this, I haven't been able to play more than 120 (usually about 60) minutes without a boot in over a year. I hope my nVidia 9400GT is one of the "fixed" cards. I actually took up WoW-not because it's any good, just because they actually let me play.

You have no idea what your talking about ... zero .. zilch.

FPS has nothing to do with connection speed, you could technically do 120 FPS on a 9600 line, or 1 FPS on a 100Mbps connection. SE's server is not sending you "Frames", their sending you positional and event data. Your computer renders whatever is in memory at 29.9 FPS max, the frequency of that memory's update has nothing to do with it.

[QuickRelease21]

If you go to regedit:

Hkey_Local_machine>Software>Wow6432node>PlayonlineUS>SqaureEnix>FinalFantasyXI

Then from here, from 0001 to 0004, all thoses must be the exact same in order for the Nvidia inspector
AA to kick in, otherwise nope. so if your using 1920X1200 res monitor and dont want to downsample:

Modify the decimal:

0001: 1920
0002: 1200
0003: 1920
0004: 1200

If you dont do this, the aa WILL NOT kick in, make sure its properly set before logging in.

[Mirage]

So then we agree. 29.437894729872394732 limit is from SE's engine, not DX8 .

I actually wouldn't have minded that fps limit too much though, if I could actually crank the image quality up to over 9000 without dropping below 29.whatever fps. Which I can't. Because everything is rendered so inefficiently.

[QuickRelease21]

So then we agree. 29.437894729872394732 limit is from SE's engine, not DX8 .

I actually wouldn't have minded that fps limit too much though, if I could actually crank the image quality up to over 9000 without dropping below 29.whatever fps. Which I can't. Because everything is rendered so inefficiently.

You want your IQ Drastically increased???? and using nvidia video card, please make sure you have at least 1.6gb-2gb of available video ram before proceeding, ok do this:

Download the latest nvidia inspector, Under Antialiasing compability, use this following hex code(From sonic 3d-racing):

0x00411245

If your using sli mode, use this hex coe under SLI combatiblity bits:

0x02404001(Most of the time it splits power from both gpus, however at given times, it will use more on both gpus)

Ok go to Antialiasing - mode: Override any application setting

Antialiasing - setting 32XS (Combined 2Xss + 8XMs)

Antialiasing - Transparency Multisampling - Enabled

Antialiasing - Transparency Supersampling - 8X Sparse Grid Supersampling

Set your Anisotropic filtering mode to user-defined/off
set to X16
Negative lod bias - Clamp

Set Antialiasing - sli aa to enabled if your used two gpus.
Sli rendering mode - AFR2

If your using 1920X1200 resolution monitor, you can downsample your monitor, please take special precautions before doing this, Go to this site FIRST before doing anything:

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1616639

Making an nvidia profile for this game, still can not force aa for this game, been like this since forever, so dont even try, wont work.

Make sure at least 1.6gb of video ram or higher before proceeding.

The above IQ settings, will make the game alot cleaner then theses ps3 and xbox 360 games can ever do. Ps3 uses geforce 7 based gpu and does not have aa supersampling or sparsegrid, theses takes alot of vram hit.

Some of theses ps3 games looks great, need strong pc, but far as overall IQ, this is where pc wins.


LOL Some say we need FFXIV textures, If I was playing in that manner within the same IQ settings I am using, IT will bury my gtx 690 to its royal good for nothing knees and absolutely beg for mercy.

FFXIV needs strong gpu or gpus to make it run good within high settings, I had one time, 3 upper class 5XXX ati series, and finally got 60 fps, and yes I made sure if all 3 gpus where at 100% usage and it was, disabled two gpus, ran only 1, went down to what 20 fps, so yes all 3 are using to its fullest, ffxiv looks great, but I still prefer this game over 14 anyday.

[Mirage]

Tried that out, and it actually works. Making my GPU perform antialiasing on the game now. I couldn't put it at as high settings as you suggested because I only have a GTX460 1GB, but it is still looking a lot better.

There is one problem though. As character modes fade in and out, there are sometimes (often, in crowded areas) big white squares popping up for a split second. Any idea what could be causing this?

[saevel]

@QuickRelease21

Ok that kinda worked, what vsync / tipple buffering options should we be using? I have two GTX580 hydro coppers and a 1920x1080@120hz monitor. The game's attempt to run @29.9fps is causing all sorts of hell with shaking.

[QuickRelease21]

@ Saevel


Quote: "Ok that kinda worked, what vsync / tipple buffering options should we be using? I have two GTX580 hydro coppers and a 1920x1080@120hz monitor. The game's attempt to run @29.9fps is causing all sorts of hell with shaking."


I ALWAYS, ALWAYS have vsync off to provide the best possible frame rate, Especially enabling at incredible aa,etc settings.

If its at shitty ass settings, shitty ass resolution, then turn on vsync to prevent tearing while playing a game.

Far as sli is concerned, I been trying to find a way to get sli to work at both gpu usage to 100%, and I can not, there is a list down of hex codes you can try within the inspector program, but the one I mentioned above, most of the time it tries to slip itself even, like 1st gpu uses 36%, the other is like 64%, and so on, I have seen at times both gpus over 60-70%, making it over 100% usage together, so which is a good sign.


Please also from what I understand, make sure the X multipler of the sparsegrid matches with the msaa, so if its X4 sparsegrid, set it to X4 msaa, but I dont use thoses, I use the hybrid aa's, supersampling + msaa and along with sparsegrid for superior image quality.

Heres another note, Far as supersampling aa quality is concerned, pictures cant do any justice, you serious have to know what to look for while a particular game is in motion and yes, ati supersampling has VASTLY superior quality over the same exact setting nvidia's, How do I know, I owned both ati and nvidia for a very long time. I like nvidia drivers much better but thats just personal preference.

On ati cards, when you enable supersampling aa, the game will automatically take into effect, while on nvidia, it will never, never happen, even if you make a profile for it, its been like this since what? way before geforce 7,8 time.


And to end all of this, Ati supersampling aa @ X4 looks a lil better then nvidia's X16 supersampling AA, what does this mean in return? Less vram and peformance hit on the gpu, Thats one thing I love about ati card, you can get away with a so-so ati card and jack down the supersampling to X4 and will look better then X16 nvidia's ssaa.

but the image quality I am using now, its better then X16 ssaa on ati card, but not by much.

[Vinedrai]

i am wondering if my fps would still drop to 8-10~ during crowded fights or certain areas if we had 60 fps limit. admittedly, i dont know much about how this stuff works but it gives me the impression that the decrease in fps i have been experiencing is proportinate to our low fps limit. i have i5-2450m and geforce gt 630m with 2 gb vram on my laptop and i don't think my fps should ever drop that much in a 10 years old game. is the fact that this game was very poorly ported to PC the real problem here (maybe there was not much SE could do, idk) or simply the low fps limit?

some graphics tweaking here and there really helps but it is for aesthetics and we are still suffering from low fps and trying to make the game look better makes it even worse ><

[saevel]

i am wondering if my fps would still drop to 8-10~ during crowded fights or certain areas if we had 60 fps limit. admittedly, i dont know much about how this stuff works but it gives me the impression that the decrease in fps i have been experiencing is proportinate to our low fps limit. i have i5-2450m and geforce gt 630m with 2 gb vram on my laptop and i don't think my fps should ever drop that much in a 10 years old game. is the fact that this game was very poorly ported to PC the real problem here (maybe there was not much SE could do, idk) or simply the low fps limit?

some graphics tweaking here and there really helps but it is for aesthetics and we are still suffering from low fps and trying to make the game look better makes it even worse ><

It's the DX8 emulation that's killing you, it's horribly inefficient. Mine will bottom out sometimes and neither by CPU nor my GPU's are anywhere near capacity.

The FPS limit has more to do with stuttering and jerking. Being forced to under 30fps makes it hell on any PC. 29.9 fps doesn't divide evenly into 60 so you end up with stuttered frames hence the dragging and chopping.