Question for Devs regarding cleave

[Kjara]

About time they'd do something like that. I've been struggling to get any kind of EXP activity going since Fell Cleave burns started. Dominion pages parties are pretty much dead, took me two weeks to get a GoV EXP party going in Crawler's Nest. The top of luck is to see an La Theine shout every few days.

Wish I knew where people got all this money to pay FC burns. I never had that much and if I ever will I definitely wouldn't spend it to EXP, which is something that shouldn't be done by afking (thus the word 'experience'). Because of these activities newcomers are getting pushed away from the game because they don't have the gil to pay burning nor can find someone to exp with.

As I've said in other posts, I think SE should just make Fell Cleave magical damage and nerf it. That would solve the problem once for all. Other activities such as farming dark rings or empyrean boots can be done without it just fine (Personally I do it as blue mage). Let's see if this banhammer brings some life back in previous exp areas.

[Demon6324236]

As I've said in other posts, I think SE should just make Fell Cleave magical damage and nerf it. That would solve the problem once for all. Other activities such as farming dark rings or empyrean boots can be done without it just fine (Personally I do it as blue mage). Let's see if this banhammer brings some life back in previous exp areas.

Gimp 1 form of FC, people will find another. Be it WAR FCing with Staff using Cata, using GA with FC, using BLU with CW. The only way to stop it, is destroy Abyssea's xp system, which destroys its light system somewhat, and would never be done.

[Kikorimo]

About time they'd do something like that. I've been struggling to get any kind of EXP activity going since Fell Cleave burns started. Dominion pages parties are pretty much dead, took me two weeks to get a GoV EXP party going in Crawler's Nest. The top of luck is to see an La Theine shout every few days.

Wish I knew where people got all this money to pay FC burns. I never had that much and if I ever will I definitely wouldn't spend it to EXP, which is something that shouldn't be done by afking (thus the word 'experience'). Because of these activities newcomers are getting pushed away from the game because they don't have the gil to pay burning nor can find someone to exp with.

As I've said in other posts, I think SE should just make Fell Cleave magical damage and nerf it. That would solve the problem once for all. Other activities such as farming dark rings or empyrean boots can be done without it just fine (Personally I do it as blue mage). Let's see if this banhammer brings some life back in previous exp areas.

Nerfing cleave would do nothing because AoE exp burns have been around for years, even before level 80+ and fell cleave. Remember summoner burns? There is also Aeolin edge and Cataclysm burns as well as blu "cleave."
Just my 2 cents in regards to the "nerfing one weaponskill will solve all the problems" train of thought. Fell Cleave is currently just the most popular method is all.

[samusaron]

If you Can Charge people to Levell them up and have from 3 to 10 Hour's spare in your Rl , then the Question one need to ask is , Why do you have so much time to do this and is this your Full time occupation ? there are other eans to make Gil in Game and especially it seem's you have so much time on your Had's to do so evidently.

RMT Behaviour is exactly that , it is their full time occupation in game to make Gil and to sell period. there is no fine line to read.If you charge people to play for levelling them , then you are an RMT. What do you do with Gil ? Sell it? Afcause you do.

Normal players play the game for Fun and do not have 3>6>9 hour's to Burn making money and if you do this you are RMT is this Clear enough ?

[samusaron]

Further to my Last post.

SE has made it Very Clear Charging for Abyssea xp parties is seen as RMT Behaviour. so if you do this you will be Banned.

Is that not Clear enough as it states or you can take a risk and be Banned. Personally I report anyone shouting for Gil xp parties at Port Jueno . I hope you are not one of those , so dont even think about trying to do it or face the consequences.

[Ezikiel]

If you Can Charge people to Levell them up and have from 3 to 10 Hour's spare in your Rl , then the Question one need to ask is , Why do you have so much time to do this and is this your Full time occupation ? there are other eans to make Gil in Game and especially it seem's you have so much time on your Had's to do so evidently.

RMT Behaviour is exactly that , it is their full time occupation in game to make Gil and to sell period. there is no fine line to read.If you charge people to play for levelling them , then you are an RMT. What do you do with Gil ? Sell it? Afcause you do.

Normal players play the game for Fun and do not have 3>6>9 hour's to Burn making money and if you do this you are RMT is this Clear enough ?

i work customer service from home and have 9 hours to play im not a RMT

[Vivivivi]

If you Can Charge people to Levell them up and have from 3 to 10 Hour's spare in your Rl , then the Question one need to ask is , Why do you have so much time to do this and is this your Full time occupation ? there are other eans to make Gil in Game and especially it seem's you have so much time on your Had's to do so evidently.

RMT Behaviour is exactly that , it is their full time occupation in game to make Gil and to sell period. there is no fine line to read.If you charge people to play for levelling them , then you are an RMT. What do you do with Gil ? Sell it? Afcause you do.

Normal players play the game for Fun and do not have 3>6>9 hour's to Burn making money and if you do this you are RMT is this Clear enough ?

I have had friends working on relics charge for cleaves on weekends and such as an alternative to farming Dynamis for currency. I have also had friends working on Empyrean weapons do the same while they cleave to build up time for themselves in the zone as get amber lights going for key items. These parties typically do not last the same length as the RMT advertised ones. On our server there are regular shouts for 11 hour afk parties which I suspect are RMT. The "legit" ones are generally 3-5 hours because the players doing those typically want to actually get to doing whateever their goal in game was

[Jaall]

If you Can Charge people to Levell them up and have from 3 to 10 Hour's spare in your Rl , then the Question one need to ask is , Why do you have so much time to do this and is this your Full time occupation ? there are other eans to make Gil in Game and especially it seem's you have so much time on your Had's to do so evidently.

RMT Behaviour is exactly that , it is their full time occupation in game to make Gil and to sell period. there is no fine line to read.If you charge people to play for levelling them , then you are an RMT. What do you do with Gil ? Sell it? Afcause you do.

Normal players play the game for Fun and do not have 3>6>9 hour's to Burn making money and if you do this you are RMT is this Clear enough ?

Okay so what you're saying is people don't have 3-9 hours to burn? Just to let you know there are people who actually do and for the right reasons they might spend that time FC'ing. If you consider that a lot of people buy a place in FC parties and charge 100k per hour which is entirely possible, you could make ~18 mil in 10 hours which would pay for 1/3-1/4 of a relic stage 4 or 5, in 1 day! I think that's a good reason to spend 10 hours doing the same boring thing over and over.

Also just to add, people might have friends that want to help, and for a cut of the profits might join in the FC to take over after 4-5 hours giving you time to rest so although you're advertising for 10 hours, you're not actually cleaving for the whole 10 hours.

It is hard for SE to differentiate between RMT and genuine players without a few "casualties" but FC'ing is fine imo, and if people are willing to pay for it there shouldn't be anything wrong with it. I don't personally sell FC services before you say anything, simply because I'm not the sort of person who could do the same old thing for so many hours even if I do get paid, but some people would and I agree with their reasons and they shouldn't be classed as RMT.

[Kikorimo]

If you Can Charge people to Levell them up and have from 3 to 10 Hour's spare in your Rl , then the Question one need to ask is , Why do you have so much time to do this and is this your Full time occupation ? there are other eans to make Gil in Game and especially it seem's you have so much time on your Had's to do so evidently.

RMT Behaviour is exactly that , it is their full time occupation in game to make Gil and to sell period. there is no fine line to read.If you charge people to play for levelling them , then you are an RMT. What do you do with Gil ? Sell it? Afcause you do.

Normal players play the game for Fun and do not have 3>6>9 hour's to Burn making money and if you do this you are RMT is this Clear enough ?

Not true, because real players sometimes actually have days off. I have been in a party on a day off before for 12 hours straight (not FC, old school abby party.) In other words, I could have cleaved for 12 hours, and by your logic, that would make me a RMT just because I had a day free with nothing better to do.

[Demon6324236]

If you Can Charge people to Levell them up and have from 3 to 10 Hour's spare in your Rl , then the Question one need to ask is , Why do you have so much time to do this and is this your Full time occupation ? there are other eans to make Gil in Game and especially it seem's you have so much time on your Had's to do so evidently.

RMT Behaviour is exactly that , it is their full time occupation in game to make Gil and to sell period. there is no fine line to read.If you charge people to play for levelling them , then you are an RMT. What do you do with Gil ? Sell it? Afcause you do.

Normal players play the game for Fun and do not have 3>6>9 hour's to Burn making money and if you do this you are RMT is this Clear enough ?

Further to my Last post.

SE has made it Very Clear Charging for Abyssea xp parties is seen as RMT Behaviour. so if you do this you will be Banned.

Is that not Clear enough as it states or you can take a risk and be Banned. Personally I report anyone shouting for Gil xp parties at Port Jueno . I hope you are not one of those , so dont even think about trying to do it or face the consequences.

So, in your opinion a RMT is any person who has alot of free time, and doesn't mind spending it making gil. Oh, btw, "What do you do with Gil ? Sell it? Afcause you do." last I knew there were items worth more than 100 Million gil, old FC prices were 100k/hour, even with 16 leechers, 10 hour cleave, thats 16 Million gil, a fraction of the cost of many high end pieces of gear right now, including but not limited to the highly rare Hexed -1 gear. Please do not make more of a fool of yourself by attempting to explain that anyone with alot of free time, or making alot of gil, is a RMT, because thats doing nothing more than spreading the same idea SE seems to believe in, and thats a stupid idea in the 1st place.