What is the most self-sufficient single Job/Subjob combination (all gameplay)?

[Afania]

If your talking about WAR having both Ukon and Rag, your talking at Legion levels, in which case no, most people wont have 3 jobs that high. If your talking about something such as Prov levels, meaning 90~99 R/M/E with full +2 as well as VW gear, perhaps some NNI or Limbus gear, then yeah, I think that alot of people can get 2~3 jobs that fairly easy if they take the job seriously and have a decent group of friend or LS. So really depends on your standards for a job to count as a 'career' job.

Honestly, the amount of ppl I know having 3 lv 99 R/E/M plus complete gear set(that means all JA macro/multiple WS+TP/idle/DT- and fast cast etc) set for most situations for 3 different jobs are very low, most of the hardcore player often only have 2 at most as far as I know. Also considering a lot of ppl have lv 90 empy with incomplete gear set + no capped skill and just make lv 90 empy for collection and doesn't care about that job, and just recycle NNI gears, I wouldn't consider having lv 90 empy+NNI gear "career" job. IMO having complete gear set to deal with majority of situation is what makes a job career, recycle gears from another job doesn't really count IMO.

[Arcon]

I don't think we have the same definition of a career job. I don't consider a pimped out job a career job. I have SCH and SMN fully pimped in every regard, bar mythic. That doesn't mean they are my career, it simply means that first, I did it because I felt I had to to be useful for certain events (like high magic accuracy gear for Stuns and high Enhancing Skill for Embrava) and second, that it was rather easy to obtain said items compared to other jobs.

I would define a career job as a job you love and try to focus on, even if you don't have the best gear for it. Just because you don't spend every waking moment on it doesn't mean you don't care for it the most. If that was the case, almost no one would have a career job at all.

[Afania]

I don't think we have the same definition of a career job. I don't consider a pimped out job a career job. I have SCH and SMN fully pimped in every regard, bar mythic. That doesn't mean they are my career, it simply means that first, I did it because I felt I had to to be useful for certain events (like high magic accuracy gear for Stuns and high Enhancing Skill for Embrava) and second, that it was rather easy to obtain said items compared to other jobs.

I would define a career job as a job you love and try to focus on, even if you don't have the best gear for it. Just because you don't spend every waking moment on it doesn't mean you don't care for it the most. If that was the case, almost no one would have a career job at all.

Well basically I agree that the job you love and try to focus on would be your career job, but as you focus on 1~2 jobs your gear will eventually be good, you don't necessary need to have perfect gear for 10+ gear set, but the quality and quantity of gear set you have should be way higher than avg players. And vice versa: If you try to pimp out 5 jobs, their performance would spread too thin for average players that's not super hardcore.

A career SCH would have staff WS merit so he/she can WS once a while in NNI

[Arcon]

For a higher number of jobs that is certainly true. But I still feel like I can focus on WAR and THF simultaneously without sacrificing one for the other. Sure, one job will have a relic sooner than the other, but to me that's an arbitrary decision, I basically flipped a coin. On the other hand, I focused on capped PDT on WAR over other things on THF, so it evened out. It is similar for PLD, despite not having played it for about a year. I just don't find the right application for it, because every time we need a PLD, we have an Ochain+Aegis PLD ready for it. But I still gear it and will soon be one of those PLD, that's because I consider it my career. Those three jobs are what's most important to me.

Oh, and I have Accuracy, Haste, Double Attack and Store TP sets for all my mages, none of which I consider my career. Because I had items lying around that they can use (like Brutal or Rajas), without having to invest time in it specifically. I don't feel that distinction does the definition justice, but I guess that's a matter of opinion.

[Afania]

For a higher number of jobs that is certainly true. But I still feel like I can focus on WAR and THF simultaneously without sacrificing one for the other. Sure, one job will have a relic sooner than the other, but to me that's an arbitrary decision, I basically flipped a coin.

Well for WAR you need rag+Ukon to DD, and THF needs mandau, that's like 3 relic worth of weapon for just 2 jobs(you mentioned 3 jobs) And not counting some gil sink items like HQ abj augment. Again, maybe you're hardcore and able to afford everything, but for majority of players building 3 relics+ some HQ augment takes at least 10+ months. By that time more gear already come out. Majority of player I've met in this game pretty much focus on only 1 job(myself included, cuz I can never have enough time to work on so many gil sink items for more than 1 job), some focus on 2(usually if they have 2 characters, so 1 main job on 1 character), but focusing on 3 is pretty rare for sure.

[Arcon]

Well for WAR you need rag+Ukon to DD, and THF needs mandau, that's like 3 relic worth of weapon for just 2 jobs(you mentioned 3 jobs) And not counting some gil sink items like HQ abj augment.

Like I said, I don't consider needing great gear to count it a career job. I don't need neither Ragnarok nor Ukonvasara to call myself a career WAR. Maybe it's my definition that's off, but my original point was that even if he focuses on RDM it does not mean that it has to be the only job he's any good at. You can have several very well geared jobs and be good on all of them.

On a slightly unrelated note, WAR does not need both those weapons to be good, and THF doesn't need Mandau for anything even remotely relevant. And that argument only really holds for certain melee jobs in the first place. It sounds kinda arbitrary to me. Does a career BLM need a mythic? Or all trial staves? And if you don't have it, it's not your career? Maybe it's an entirely pointless definition in the first place, but just because you play one job well does not mean you have to half-ass your other jobs.

[Demon6324236]

So, career job = have the best possible gear in the game for that job. Guess I can no longer say I am a career RDM because I don't have my Excalibur @99, or my Almace @99, or my Iaso gear, guess I suck.

[Afania]

Like I said, I don't consider needing great gear to count it a career job. I don't need neither Ragnarok nor Ukonvasara to call myself a career WAR. Maybe it's my definition that's off, but my original point was that even if he focuses on RDM it does not mean that it has to be the only job he's any good at. You can have several very well geared jobs and be good on all of them.

On a slightly unrelated note, WAR does not need both those weapons to be good, and THF doesn't need Mandau for anything even remotely relevant. And that argument only really holds for certain melee jobs in the first place. It sounds kinda arbitrary to me. Does a career BLM need a mythic? Or all trial staves? And if you don't have it, it's not your career? Maybe it's an entirely pointless definition in the first place, but just because you play one job well does not mean you have to half-ass your other jobs.

Let me just say it this way, atm I don't have THF, but I can burn it to lv 99 in 1~2 days, and get AF3+2 full set in a few days. I already have TH hands in my MH, and qilin dagger+Aluh(which obviously isn't mandau, but "good enough" to get the job done) I also already have movement speed+ feet, full dagger merit and exen merit, and thaumas full set. Rest of the gears like earring/rings I can buy it from AH. I also already have some evasion gear and WS gear.

So basically if I want to lv THF to lv 99 and get it functional, it takes like, 1~2 weeks? Maybe 1 extra week to practice and study more about the job, using spreadsheet to determine best gear set in certain situations etc, and ask questions. That's 2~3 weeks of work starting from scratch. Compare with amount of time I play FFXI it's very low.

I know THFs that spend years on gearing this job as best possible, with mandau lv 99, with more than 1 HQ T abj augment piece. IMO it's quite an insult to the word "career" if I spend 2~3 weeks on a THF and calling myself career THF. If I spend 2~3 weeks on THF and call myself career, what about those with relic/empy 99+ T.abj augment THFs? What are they?

It isn't "hard" to play a job well, but IMO the word "career" should be more than just playing a job well.

I also disagree with WAR not needing Ukon/Rag to be career WAR btw, it's not even functional without at least ukon(unless you only bring it to Abyssea for red), let alone being career.

So, career job = have the best possible gear in the game for that job. Guess I can no longer say I am a career RDM because I don't have my Excalibur @99, or my Almace @99, or my Iaso gear, guess I suck.

Nobody say you need best possible gear ever exist to be career, but it needs to be more than 2~3 weeks of work period.

[Demon6324236]

Your talking about WAR having both Ukon and Rag, with HQ Abj gear from VW/Legion... Yeah, sounds about the best it gets... Which is the reason for my comment.

I know THFs that spend years on gearing this job as best possible, with mandau lv 99, with more than 1 HQ T abj augment piece. IMO it's quite an insult to the word "career" if I spend 2~3 weeks on a THF and calling myself career THF. If I spend 2~3 weeks on THF and call myself career, what about those with relic/empy 99+ T.abj augment THFs?

That is what I think gives you a career title. The fact you try to gear the job to its max potential, not that you have super amounts of gear, or the best gear ever, but the fact the majority of your effort goes into that job, and its the job you put your heart into. For some this is only a single job, others it is many, for me its RDM, my RDM lacks some things that you may find easy, like the 5 Marrows for 99ing my Excalibur, or the Plates/Cinders to 99 my Almace, but to me that is out of reach, to me what makes me a career RDM is that its my job I focus on, above all other jobs.

[Afania]

Your talking about WAR having both Ukon and Rag, with HQ Abj gear from VW/Legion... Yeah, sounds about the best it gets... Which is the reason for my comment.

I don't play WAR so I'm not sure if legion HQ abj gear is relevant for WAR. But yes any serious WAR would work on Ukon/Rag, otherwise I can just burn my WAR to lv 99 and call myself career.

That is what I think gives you a career title. The fact you try to gear the job to its max potential, not that you have super amounts of gear, or the best gear ever, but the fact the majority of your effort goes into that job, and its the job you put your heart into. For some this is only a single job, others it is many, for me its RDM, my RDM lacks some things that you may find easy, like the 5 Marrows for 99ing my Excalibur, or the Plates/Cinders to 99 my Almace, but to me that is out of reach, to me what makes me a career RDM is that its my job I focus on, above all other jobs.

If I want to be a career WAR, and Ukon/rag is out of my reach, the 1st thing I'd do is to work on them, not giving up on them and work on other jobs and still call myself career WAR. That's why I disagree with posts above, if I don't have ukon/rag and still spread my time on other jobs, there's no way I'd call WAR my career job, otherwise I'd be insulting the word career. That's why I said career 3 jobs is out of reach for majority of players.....you should already get majority of the gears you want on 1 job to jump to next no?