Remove or decrease race penalties

[Afania]

Basically, Tarutaru is the worst race selection right now because melee is the best way to deal damage, and Tarutaru not only has a slight disadvantage (lower STR) but it has a major, major disadvantage (way lower HP). Short of the best pieces of gear having latents just for Tarutaru (such as by bringing Tarutaru HP up to Hume levels, something like a 220 HP difference), nothing is going to fix this either.

Taru has higher AGI than a hume(that means better ranged DD, better WF and last stand), hume is the worst race with nothing stand out and gimp at all jobs... ;< Worse DD than Elvaan, worse COR RNG than Mithra, lower HP than galka so can't take AoE dmg as well, and barely gets advantage from avg stat for everything when only a few stat shines.

IMO Mithra is the best race though, it's only weakness isn't important, everything else are balanced. High DEX and AGI if I remember correctly.

[Vortex]

Taru has higher AGI than a hume(that means better ranged DD, better WF and last stand), hume is the worst race with nothing stand out and gimp at all jobs... ;< Worse DD than Elvaan, worse COR RNG than Mithra, lower HP than galka so can't take AoE dmg as well, and barely gets advantage from avg stat for everything when only a few stat shines.

IMO Mithra is the best race though, it's only weakness isn't important, everything else are balanced. High DEX and AGI if I remember correctly.

DO you actually have any idea what you are talking about? Hume is the middle ground, they have no "worst" stats but they have no "best" either unless you count CHR.

mithra is pretty much almost the same as hume except a little more dex which isn't really something significant as any race can match or top it with gear. you really should actually look at a humes stats on jobs before you make such a judgement.


Now then.

It seems Tarus suffer the most in DD department because they are low in the 2 primary stats that helps them in the front line. which is HP and STR. but it seems they were just made to mainly be mages. this is the primary reason i picked a hume so i don't have to go through this lol. i knew i would eventually pick diffrent jobs and hume is great and using different jobs without suffering from stat penatlies other races do.

[Masekase]

DO you actually have any idea what you are talking about? Hume is the middle ground, they have no "worst" stats but they have no "best" either unless you count CHR.

mithra is pretty much almost the same as hume except a little more dex which isn't really something significant as any race can match or top it with gear. you really should actually look at a humes stats on jobs before you make such a judgement.


Now then.

It seems Tarus suffer the most in DD department because they are low in the 2 primary stats that helps them in the front line. which is HP and STR. but it seems they were just made to mainly be mages. this is the primary reason i picked a hume so i don't have to go through this lol. i knew i would eventually pick diffrent jobs and hume is great and using different jobs without suffering from stat penatlies other races do.

May be wrong but think taru gets hit on VIT stat too. I think that race takes biggest hit with having 4 stats lower than others hp str vit and mnd

[Arcon]

May be wrong but think taru gets hit on VIT stat too. I think that race takes biggest hit with having 4 stats lower than others hp str vit and mnd

Only STR, VIT and MND aren't really that relevant. Sure, it may reflect as a 0.5% deficiency on a battle phase, but a lack of HP is really the only thing that's noticeable without a parser, and the only thing that can make or break a player.

[TheTrueMarth]

All MMORPGs have different races, each with their strong point and weak point. FFXI is no different.
Tarutaru = Mage, high MP pool, high INT and high MND.
Galka = Tank, high HP pool, high VIT and defense.
Elvaan = Damage, high STR and attack.
Mithra = Something... High DEX and AGI.
Hume = Jack of all trades.

This has been around since the game came out, and I'm sure everybody knew this and chose the race accordingly based on what they like most. To come up 10 years later and all of a sudden say this needs to change, everything needs to be equal is throwing in your "Game it too easy, make it easier so I literally don't have to do anything and throw my money at SE." If you don't like your races weak point, you have 3 choices.
A. Make a new character that has the stats you want. Exp isn't hard to get.
B. Pull up your big girl panties and get over it.
C. Quit.

Honestly, the 5 races SHOULD have strong and weak points, that's the way of any MMORPG. If we want to nit-pick things SE needs to address why not direct your attention to Red Mage, Puppetmaster (I know this isn't the PUP thread, but enough with the mage gear and give PUP DD gear) Legion, Neo Nyzul, Odin V2 etc. Why pick the one thing that's been around for 10 years that makes the most sense, and the people have already dealt with? /rant /thread.

[Kyte]

Tarutaru = Mage, high MP pool, high INT and tied for the worst MND.

ftfy. I don't know why people seem to think this.

[Masekase]

All MMORPGs have different races, each with their strong point and weak point. FFXI is no different.
Tarutaru = Mage, high MP pool, high INT and high MND.
Galka = Tank, high HP pool, high VIT and defense.
Elvaan = Damage, high STR and attack.
Mithra = Something... High DEX and AGI.
Hume = Jack of all trades.

This has been around since the game came out, and I'm sure everybody knew this and chose the race accordingly based on what they like most. To come up 10 years later and all of a sudden say this needs to change, everything needs to be equal is throwing in your "Game it too easy, make it easier so I literally don't have to do anything and throw my money at SE." If you don't like your races weak point, you have 3 choices.
A. Make a new character that has the stats you want. Exp isn't hard to get.
B. Pull up your big girl panties and get over it.
C. Quit.

Honestly, the 5 races SHOULD have strong and weak points, that's the way of any MMORPG. If we want to nit-pick things SE needs to address why not direct your attention to Red Mage, Puppetmaster (I know this isn't the PUP thread, but enough with the mage gear and give PUP DD gear) Legion, Neo Nyzul, Odin V2 etc. Why pick the one thing that's been around for 10 years that makes the most sense, and the people have already dealt with? /rant /thread.

Taru don't have high mind they have tied lowest mind. Also its only in last 1-2 years we have been able to ask for stuff other 8yrs players wasn't listened too.

[TheTrueMarth]

My mistake on MND, I'm not Taru. Thanks for correcting me. I stand by my point though. All races SHOULD have strong and weak points. Tarutaru SHOULD out-nuke me. Galka SHOULD out-tank me, Elvaan SHOULD out-damage me, Mithra SHOULD out... Theif me... I hate to play "SE automated response" here but... Balance... Making all races equal is giving every kid a "participation trophy" for taking a single step past the start line. Every race should have their perks and weakness, it's called being unique.

[FrankReynolds]

All MMORPGs have different races, each with their strong point and weak point. FFXI is no different.

That's why we want it changed. I'm not really sure why you think being like every other MMO is a selling point.

This has been around since the game came out, and I'm sure everybody knew this and chose the race accordingly based on what they like most.

No video game start screen should ever feature a selection process that will haunt you for upwards of a decade and no, everyone did not pick appropriately. Why the hell would a person who just picked this game up know enough about the game to determine that the choice of race they made at start up is going to be good for the next ten years? Have you played this game? It's huge and it changes continuously. If you happen to be on a race that is good for your job of choice then you got lucky.

Honestly, the 5 races SHOULD have strong and weak points, that's the way of any MMORPG. ... Why pick the one thing that's been around for 10 years that makes the most sense, and the people have already dealt with? /rant /thread.

Because this is lame and it's always been lame. I don't need my imaginary midget character to actually be handicapped. This is a video game. In here you can be 2 feet tall, carry a 200 pound axe and smash deities with your thoughts.


And for the record: I don't care what topic you are discussing or who you are discussing it with. If your answer to any problem, ever is "if you want that then you should go spend weeks/months/years re-gearing / re-leveling a new character..." then you are wrong. Plain and simple. Wanna know the fastest way to make a person give up FFXI forever? Tell them to start over. Some people will do it. Most will not.

[TheTrueMarth]

That's why we want it changed. I'm not really sure why you think being like every other MMO is a selling point.

Because if every race had the same stats, we might as well be playing an MMO were all characters are Hume. Delete Taru, delete Galka, delete Elvaan and Mithra. The whole point behind different races is to have different options, not just cosmetics. That's one thing MMOs have in common for good reason.

No video game start screen should ever feature a selection process that will haunt you for upwards of a decade and no, everyone did not pick appropriately. Why the hell would a person who just picked this game up know enough about the game to determine that the choice of race they made at start up is going to be good for the next ten years? Have you played this game? It's huge and it changes continuously. If you happen to be on a race that is good for your job of choice then you got lucky.

I've been playing the game since NA relese. I picked Hume M solely on the fact the stats were balanced. I knew Elvaan had more STR, I knew Galka had more HP/VIT, I knew Taru had more MP/INT. I knew Mithra had more DEX/AGI. I picked Hume for the stats. It's not unheard of for someone to actually study before making a decision. I've never once regretted Hume or wanted to change.

And for the record: I don't care what topic you are discussing or who you are discussing it with. If your answer to any problem, ever is "if you want that then you should go spend weeks/months/years re-gearing / re-leveling a new character..." then you are wrong. Plain and simple. Wanna know the fastest way to make a person give up FFXI forever? Tell them to start over. Some people will do it. Most will not.

If people are going to complain and beg "Papa SE" over the smallest things like this, maybe MMOs aren't for these people. There are more and far bigger things to deal with other than "My Taru can only do 3100 damage when an Elvaan can do 3300". You find ways to deal with it and cope or you don't.