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    Community Rep Camate's Avatar
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    Hello,

    While we definitely understand that making it possible to overwrite a level 3 aftermath would make it more convenient and ultimately stronger, the development team's stance is that they would like players to think about this aspect and use it strategically. If we were to make unconditional overwriting possible, it would enable the aftermath status to be maintained indefinitely by continuing to use weapon skills at 300 TP, and this is situation the development team does not wish to create.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camate View Post
    Hello,

    While we definitely understand that making it possible to overwrite a level 3 aftermath would make it more convenient and ultimately stronger, the development team's stance is that they would like players to think about this aspect and use it strategically. If we were to make unconditional overwriting possible, it would enable the aftermath status to be maintained indefinitely by continuing to use weapon skills at 300 TP, and this is situation the development team does not wish to create.
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    I want to say that there's a middle ground here but this isn't really middle ground. A lot of old systems were shit. Some new systems aren't much better. What's in the middle of shit and shit? More Shit. So no, I don't want a middle ground. I want something good.
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    >Twilight Scythe is overpowered that's why we're nerfing it
    >Weapons with double damage compared to relic

    LOGIC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camate View Post
    Hello,

    While we definitely understand that making it possible to overwrite a level 3 aftermath would make it more convenient and ultimately stronger, the development team's stance is that they would like players to think about this aspect and use it strategically. If we were to make unconditional overwriting possible, it would enable the aftermath status to be maintained indefinitely by continuing to use weapon skills at 300 TP, and this is situation the development team does not wish to create.
    First off, thank you for taking the time to reply. It's nice to know our voices are being heard, and for that, I am grateful.

    Sadly, I disagree with the stance the Devs are taking on this issue. When the majority of the content we enjoy is either running around from pop to pop, mob to mob; when the majority of content is waiting for ??? and the like to repop, where is the strategy? Our strategy WAS locking our AM3 effect in those down times, but now we have nothing to do but stand there while over 1/3 of the effect we just applied goes to waste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camate View Post
    Hello,

    While we definitely understand that making it possible to overwrite a level 3 aftermath would make it more convenient and ultimately stronger, the development team's stance is that they would like players to think about this aspect and use it strategically. If we were to make unconditional overwriting possible, it would enable the aftermath status to be maintained indefinitely by continuing to use weapon skills at 300 TP, and this is situation the development team does not wish to create.
    What "strategy" is this promoting? Either you can maintain AM3 with a minimum of penalty or you change weapons, Ryunohige and Kenkonken aside. That's assuming you have a functional mythic to begin with (Ryunohige, Kenkonken, Kogarasumaru, maybe Conqueror and Glanzfaust?). Overwriting AM3 doesn't change that, and it doesn't even really affect how mythics fare vs their empyrean and relic counterparts given that most of them barely measure up even if you completely disregard the need to rebuild AM3 or the possibility of downtime eating into your AM3 time.
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    The Development Bros don't want people to be able to do what people currently do, maintaining the tier 3 aftermath constantly or almost constantly, which is the only viable tactic for making Mythic weapons perform in a competitive manner.

    Instead, the aftermath should be used "strategically" as a result of "thinking about it", which means something that I'm not sure what it means. Let me think about thinking about it. Let me form a strategy for strategically strategizing like a strategist.

    Let me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camate View Post
    Hello,

    While we definitely understand that making it possible to overwrite a level 3 aftermath would make it more convenient and ultimately stronger, the development team's stance is that they would like players to think about this aspect and use it strategically. If we were to make unconditional overwriting possible, it would enable the aftermath status to be maintained indefinitely by continuing to use weapon skills at 300 TP, and this is situation the development team does not wish to create.


    Development Team: "We prefer mythic owners wait until the AM3 wears off rather than overwrite it because being able to overwrite your AM3 with a new AM3 is just way too convenient."
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    Last edited by Tanama; 12-10-2012 at 10:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camate View Post
    Hello,

    While we definitely understand that making it possible to overwrite a level 3 aftermath would make it more convenient and ultimately stronger, the development team's stance is that they would like players to think about this aspect and use it strategically. If we were to make unconditional overwriting possible, it would enable the aftermath status to be maintained indefinitely by continuing to use weapon skills at 300 TP, and this is situation the development team does not wish to create.
    We're talking about endgame weapons here, right? Endgame weapons which take months (if not years) of grinding to obtain. More specifically, we're talking about mythics which take more work than empies or relics, and in most cases are a matter of magnitude weaker than their counterparts. You're afraid MYTHICS will become too powerful?

    Empyreans just maintain tier 1 aftermath by spamming WSs as soon as they get TP. Yes, tier 1 aftermath on empyrean overwrites tier 1 aftermath. Empyreans are generally the strongest AND most readily available endgame weapons. Name an exception to this rule, and tell me why that job (drg, pup) doesn't deserve some help anyways. "Oh good, our PUP can keep OA3 on indefinitely now? Our enemies don't get enough TP anyways.... Remind me again... why do we keep letting Steve come as PUP when he has useful jobs?"

    Note: I'm not upset at the community reps at all. I know how hellish a customer service job is since you get to deliver ALL the bad news and have NO power to change company policy despite overwhelming feedback from customers. My rage is not directed at you, it's directed at whoever decides what is and is not overpowered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yinnyth View Post
    We're talking about endgame weapons here, right? Endgame weapons which take months (if not years) of grinding to obtain. More specifically, we're talking about mythics which take more work than empies or relics, and in most cases are a matter of magnitude weaker than their counterparts. You're afraid MYTHICS will become too powerful?

    Empyreans just maintain tier 1 aftermath by spamming WSs as soon as they get TP. Yes, tier 1 aftermath on empyrean overwrites tier 1 aftermath. Empyreans are generally the strongest AND most readily available endgame weapons. Name an exception to this rule, and tell me why that job (drg, pup) doesn't deserve some help anyways. "Oh good, our PUP can keep OA3 on indefinitely now? Our enemies don't get enough TP anyways.... Remind me again... why do we keep letting Steve come as PUP when he has useful jobs?"

    Note: I'm not upset at the community reps at all. I know how hellish a customer service job is since you get to deliver ALL the bad news and have NO power to change company policy despite overwhelming feedback from customers. My rage is not directed at you, it's directed at whoever decides what is and is not overpowered.
    I guess that's just what SE wanted: Welcome to FFXI, when hardest to obtain weapon like Mythic or afterglow are nothing but minor upgrade, and we intend to keep them weak
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