Petition to be put back on dagger

[ManaKing]

Honestly though dagger WS's kinda suck. MS @99 and Exten are ~ok~ but not that great when compared to CDC or Req.

That's why I want offhand daggers, for their stats.

Either a functional Mandau giving you a ton of Attack in an offhand or a Coruscanti would be ideal for melee RDMs since they are lower delay than a sword. You get more enspell damage and/or better delay ratios for superior main hands like Almace and Excalibur.

Both daggers could give something to their main hand, which is what makes them ideal. +40 Attack/extremely high DPS or 15DEX/5% Crit/ODD-ish effect isn't anything i'd scoff at.

[tyrantsyn]

Only problem with that theory is that RDM is is equally good with both dagger and sword.

We can't be funneled out of one in favor of the other because our skill in one is just as good as in the other.

Most RDM's I've ever seen have always off handed a dagger and main handed sword. Either a Excalibur, Almace, or some type of OAT/DA sword. And mind you I'm not saying RDM isn't good with a dagger, and they shouldn't be on them. But they definitely gain more from a sword than a Dagger.

With that being said a WAR can do great things with Resolution, but have been pretty much left off all sorts of new GS. You know how awesome it would be if they could use Borealis. But still we have the same case of job's being funnel towards their perspective weapons. And left off other's that they could benefit from or just enjoy.

[Demon6324236]

Honestly I wouldn't complain about the dagger problem at all, if they bumped up our sword to an A- or so, then it would make a bit more sense that our prominent weapon would be the sword, with a few daggers here & there, kinda like with WAR and its relationship with Great Sword. WAR can use Ragnarok, but not any ToM weapons, and its choices dropped off after 75, the same with RDM and dagger, where we can use Mandau, but after 75 our choices dropped off, and we have no access to ToM weapons.

[Demon6324236]

I have thought about making Mandau to see its power vs Excalibur's, but thats far off atm anyways, sounds like it may not be worth it.

[saevel]

I have thought about making Mandau to see its power vs Excalibur's, but thats far off atm anyways, sounds like it may not be worth it.

Mandua is great for its raw DPS, its the dagger WS selection that's rather poor.

MS is 3.0 fTP (4.0 as DW) 60% STR with a 40% damage boost @99.

Exten is 4.0 fTP (5.0 as DW) 100% AGI mod.

vs

CDC is 4.25 (5.25 as DW) 60% DEX mod critical hit WS.

Res is 5.0 fTP (6.0 as DW) 100% MND mod WS with -20% attack. As it's fTP is copied with gorget / belt your talking 6.0 fTP (7.2 as DW) which is stupidly high for any WS.

Even the 99 MS can't really keep up with those two.

[Aethon]

Being a melee minded RDM i wholely want to be put on better daggers. Especially the ToM daggers. With the right gear choices and temper RDM can toss out some good numbers.
I use triple attack gear and that procs fairly often. Toss an Enspell 1 on there and that brings up a lot of free damage. With daggers natively low delay compared to swords we hit that much more often and our free damage enspells start really making a difference.

[sweetidealism]

Wait, am I understanding this correctly? When held in the off-hand, Mandau 99 doesn't give you +40 attack?

[Arcon]

That's correct. No relic weapon does. SE thinks it's overpowered or something.

[Demon6324236]

If you offhand a Relic, its simply a high DPS weapon, nothing more.

[ManaKing]

Yup, somehow Excal + Mandau's 40 Attack was never meant to be 80 Attack for a RDM. For a small time when they increased the level cap to 95 and 99 they forgot about it, but then promptly informed us it was an error and fixed it.

You'd think if you got a Relic to 99, at least they would give you the attack off of it. By SEs normal logic, if something costs more, it's supposed to be better.

Also, as usual, this is only a RDM problem, because no one else can use more than 1 1-handed relic. SAM can use Yoichinoyumi and a Masamune to increase their bow damage with the extra STR, but RDM can't use an Almace with a Mandau to get 40 Attack that the job desperately needs.