Petition to be put back on dagger

[ManaKing]

There are only 2 daggers I truthfully care about. The first is Mandau.

But we are already on Mandau. This is true, but for being on Mandau we don't really get good use out of it. When you offhand a Relic, you get absolutely nothing out of it besides it's DPS rating. Why is it that the only job that can Dual Wield Relics, RDM, doesn't get +80 attack from Excal/Mandau? Offhand Mandau with just the +40 attack at lvl 99 would be a welcome addition to RDM to make up for our attack deficiency from our B in Swords and Dagger.

The second dagger is Coruscanti. 15 DEX + 5% crit + 10% chance to cap Attack/Defense ratio. This is basically the reason why I don't finish my Almace is because we can't use this as an offhand.

Why are RDM dagger offhands so bad and why are we not on more useful daggers?

[Kristal]

Why are RDM dagger offhands so bad and why are we not on more useful daggers?

It's a mystery! Just like, why does PUP have access to so much mage gear, but virtually no DD gear?

[saevel]

It's a mystery! Just like, why does PUP have access to so much mage gear, but virtually no DD gear?

This one is easy. PUP originally had a C- in H2H and was designed as a "mage" similar to BRD. Instead of songs / spells they would use JA's that would control their robot who had A rated skills and was considered much stronger. SE figured PUP would go /WHM and support from the backline while controlling their robot. That is how disconnected they were with their playbase at that time.

[Genoxd]

It's a mystery! Just like, why does PUP have access to so much mage gear, but virtually no DD gear?

Because master stats vs automaton stats actually determines overload rate. Mage stats, like INT, help with suppressing Ice overload. AFAIK.

[Karbuncle]

Because master stats vs automaton stats actually determines overload rate. Mage stats, like INT, help with suppressing Ice overload. AFAIK.

Pretty sure this was proven false about a year after PUP was released.

I think this was early speculation. Honestly, PUP is on all this mage gear because they originally intended Puppetmasters to be a Support role, and their Automatons would be the Fighters. The Mage Frame was for solo or Main Healing Support I assume.

So they tossed PUP on a bunch of mage gear expecting them to be like SMNs, Sub WHM, Back up cure whore, etc.

Also, RDM is on Mandau, the best dagger in the game. The idea of them not getting "Same daggers as THF/DNC" make no sense TBH. I like that THF/DNC Get exclusive/Semi-Excllusive daggers, Its just a crying shame All of them generally suck horribly, or are incredibly situation compared to Aluh Jambiya or STR Thokcha... or have such niche uses they're only worth obtaining on a casual interest.

Coruscanti is the only one with a real DD interest, and even it can fall flat. Gusterion is situationally useful, Blink lasts a criminally short time, but has a high proc rate apparently, Could be nice in Solo Dynamis. Asteria is a Ballsack of garbage, shame considering the NM that drops it.

Oxxosi Focon, Or w/e, From the Crafting is actually pretty good as a +1, But they went full retard on it and the DMG:51 stays 51 HQ or NQ, when it should be 52 on HQ... No excuse for keeping it... Thats a minor complaint, Oxxosi is great for High Evasion enemies, or hard hard content, But even it does fail to STR/Aluh in most situations.

Basically, There's a slew of daggers, Most terrible, Some good, and none of them would break RDM, and I wouldn't exactly cry fowl if they could equip them... It would just give Coruscanti a good use as an offhand to RDM's Aluh (if they dont own Mandau!)

[Kristal]

Because master stats vs automaton stats actually determines overload rate. Mage stats, like INT, help with suppressing Ice overload. AFAIK.

If that was the case, why isn't PUP on Kirin's Osode? +10 to all stats, and it is wearable by MNK/SAM/NIN. It would be a solid PUP macro piece now, and probably main gear back at 75.

But since this is a RDM forum, might be best to keep the lolpup's lament in the other forum

[Demon6324236]

I had given up hope for daggers a while back, but I think SE, for at least a split second, remembered RDM could use them, when they put us on the 2nd best dagger RDM currently has access to.

That being said, I agree, would be nice to see us have a better access to daggers, since we broke 75 RDM forgot how to use any good daggers outside of Mandau.

[tyrantsyn]

There seems to be a theme with how weapons have gone since after abyssea ended and VW pick up. It's very noticeable on WAR where the job use to be on a lot more Scythe's and Great Sword's. But now, their almost on none of them. More than likely it's just funneling effect to put job's on there ideal weapon's. And to give them a advantage over another job when using them. And of course there's always balance to take into account.

[Sunrider]

There seems to be a theme with how weapons have gone since after abyssea ended and VW pick up. It's very noticeable on WAR where the job use to be on a lot more Scythe's and Great Sword's. But now, their almost on none of them. More than likely it's just funneling effect to put job's on there ideal weapon's. And to give them a advantage over another job when using them. And of course there's always balance to take into account.

Only problem with that theory is that RDM is is equally good with both dagger and sword.

We can't be funneled out of one in favor of the other because our skill in one is just as good as in the other.

[saevel]

Only problem with that theory is that RDM is is equally good with both dagger and sword.

We can't be funneled out of one in favor of the other because our skill in one is just as good as in the other.

Honestly though dagger WS's kinda suck. MS @99 and Exten are ~ok~ but not that great when compared to CDC or Req.