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    Exenterator vs Evisceration.

    Assuming you can make both weaponskills reach their maximum potential, which one hands down is the better weaponskill, or are both worth having for THF?
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    Exenterator wins without a doubt outside of Abyssea. Inside Evisceration is still better due to the massive boosts to critical hit rate and damage. Outside you'll rarely ever use Evisceration. I wouldn't bother gearing specifically for it.
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    As arcon says, you shouldn't be using exenterator inside abyssea at all.

    Outside abyssea, Exenterator is clearly better than Evisceration, but that doesn't say a lot because Dancing Edge is generally better than Evisc as well. The real question is if you should get exenterator to use instead of DE on the outside. It is definitely better, but not by as much as it is better than evisceration. Maybe the people I've seen just suck, but I generally see Exenterator do about 10-20% more damage than my own DEs do, and I don't exactly have the best DE gear in the world.
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    Under high buff situations in VW I'm not sure why but my evisceration's outdo my exenterator by a decent margin.
    I love exenterator in dyna thou much more consistent than evis
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    I see. Thank you all for the feedback^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirage View Post
    As arcon says, you shouldn't be using exenterator inside abyssea at all.
    That's not what Arcon said. In abyssea, I still always use Exenterator with Trick Attack due to using AGI gear for both, or as the first WS when solo just for the acc down.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mirage View Post
    Outside abyssea, Exenterator is clearly better than Evisceration, but that doesn't say a lot because Dancing Edge is generally better than Evisc as well. The real question is if you should get exenterator to use instead of DE on the outside. It is definitely better, but not by as much as it is better than evisceration. Maybe the people I've seen just suck, but I generally see Exenterator do about 10-20% more damage than my own DEs do, and I don't exactly have the best DE gear in the world.
    I find them to be pretty much on par for things like soloing Limbus/Dyna etc. Rarely get to THF on harder content though. When solo, like I said in abyssea, the acc down from exen helps a ton.

    Quote Originally Posted by Falseliberty View Post
    Under high buff situations in VW I'm not sure why but my evisceration's outdo my exenterator by a decent margin.
    Possibly due to a DRG or SAM using Stardiver? (crit resist down) Or possibly due to champions tonic (crit rate up). Both these will give much higher chance for evis to crit, therefore higher average damage.
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    My Evisceration always seems to pull just a little ahead, But its eyeballed, and On Paper Exenterator is a clear winner. I however, Stick with Evisceration now. Generally using Mandau/Aluh... I removed my Exenterator Merits, My Evisc Build put it close to Exent in most situations, my exents always peaked the ridiculously highest, But I have a lot of jobs, and Exent wasn't worth it for me.

    But if THF is you <3, Keep Exent, And use it outside Abyssea. Inside, In most cases, Even with TA, Evisc is better based on your atmas, But its definitely not a far second.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babekeke View Post
    That's not what Arcon said. In abyssea, I still always use Exenterator with Trick Attack due to using AGI gear for both, or as the first WS when solo just for the acc down.
    It kinda is what I said, or at least what I implied. But I admit I may not have been aware of all the angles, as I usually use Mercy Stroke with SA and TA. But still, Exenterator should not be better than Evisceration, even with TA. The AGI bonus for TA only applies to the first WS hit, while the critical hit rate and damage bonuses apply to the remaining five hits as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Babekeke View Post
    I find them to be pretty much on par for things like soloing Limbus/Dyna etc. Rarely get to THF on harder content though. When solo, like I said in abyssea, the acc down from exen helps a ton.
    I find that completely backwards. Exenterator pulls ahead by miles in Limbus and Dynamis and generally all kinds of lower tier content. The only bonus Evisceration has is on higher level monsters, due to its critical hits. On everything else, it doesn't even compare.

    Exenterator is heavily gear based, more so than Exenterator, due its high WS modifier. Which means, with better gear it will get better faster than Evisceration will. Even if Evisceration was comparable at one point, it couldn't possibly hold up, and by now it's far eclipsed on most things. It may even surpass Evisceration on harder content at some point in the future.

    Also, enemy accuracy should never be a problem in Abyssea, unless it's one of the highest tier NMs, the ones that aren't soloable in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    It kinda is what I said, or at least what I implied. But I admit I may not have been aware of all the angles, as I usually use Mercy Stroke with SA and TA. But still, Exenterator should not be better than Evisceration, even with TA. The AGI bonus for TA only applies to the first WS hit, while the critical hit rate and damage bonuses apply to the remaining five hits as well.
    I generally find that SA evis beats TA exen by ~500 in abyssea with apoc/rr/vv. I assume them to be ~ on par if I used TA evis, due to the agi mod, but I can't remember the last time I did TA evis. This is on most aby NMs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    I find that completely backwards. Exenterator pulls ahead by miles in Limbus and Dynamis and generally all kinds of lower tier content. The only bonus Evisceration has is on higher level monsters, due to its critical hits. On everything else, it doesn't even compare.
    I think you misread here... we were comparing Exen and DE outside abby, not evis. Evis generally sucks outside aby unless you have someone using stardiver, and you have champions available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babekeke View Post
    I think you misread here... we were comparing Exen and DE outside abby, not evis. Evis generally sucks outside aby unless you have someone using stardiver, and you have champions available.
    My bad indeed. Evisceration does beat Dancing Edge on average, even more so on higher defense monsters.
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