Suggestion: Aby proc cells

[Luvbunny]

I think as many posters have stated in one way or another, there are a few type of social activities in this game:

a. Friends: you know them either in game activities, or outside the game, or slightly outside the game, meaning you often talk about real life issues other than the game and the niceties of saying hello and making conversation and giving real life advices and what not. This is the best type of social interaction, often they will help you accomplish things in the game with nothing in return other than seeing you advancing further or just enjoying your company.
b. LS mates: you know them via LS, chat via LS, do events together, but that is more or less the extend of your activities. Sometimes you do other non LS events when you share the same goal. This is good, often they are somewhat dependable.
c. People you meet randomly while doing something, either via shouts, or just happen to share similar interests or doing the same thing at the same place. This is your random chance encounter, they can either be good or somewhat unprepared. Often it is better to team up when you are doing the same thing, you can kill faster, do more procs and generally safer. The problem is many players are somewhat selfish and delusional. They refuse to team up for some reasons even when you end up better off in the long run. Granted bad experiences and meeting a bunch of a**h@#$ could ruin your good intention.

As player in this game you should have at least one of those three listed type of "friends/acquaintances/random strangers" connection. Unless you are dual triple quadruple boxing, in which case you probably can get away without engaging with any single person in the game for most of the content. It's not that it is so hard to make some sort of social connection in the game, it's just some people are to quick to make judgment or they confuse one of the three types listed above. Try to team up, the game is designed for this, and you are better off in the long run in most of cases. Or just play offline FF games.

[Luvbunny]

As for OP, you should level useful jobs: blue mage, bard, white mage, black mage, ninja, thief, dancer, beast master, summoner, warrior or monk. You can pretty much have blue/ninja + blm/whm to do hand, head, leg, feet seals. You may need at least 3-4 people for body seals. That is ONE other person you should find for most of the seals, and a good 2-3 others for the harder body seals. Most people will GLADLY team up for body seals. Often there are TONS of people farming KI by killing some of these NMS, be USEFUL, level your blm and offer to proc to keep the seals, these empyrean group more often has no need of seals. You can also scour the NMs for hand seals that drops pop items for body seals, often you see pop items farmers who have no need for the seals at all, and you basically give them a second chance for the drop. Audumbla and Tablila are often farmed for this.

You can ask your LS mates to team up. As beast master/ninja, all you need is a black mage to help you proc, or just do it yourself with one type of proc available, and hope TH1 will give you at least 1 random seal. Beastmaster is good if your thief, ninja, or dancer are somewhat severely undergeared. You can do dominion pages for random seal every vanadiel day, not optimal but beats the waiting around for nothing. There are TONS of quests you can do as well for a chance of random seals. I know several people do it this way, it's a bit less action and more boring but it is doable. Just stating OMG I can't find anybody for the life of me to help me do anything is a bit pathetic, considering there are so many ways you can solo in abyssea.

[Scuro]

Here is why Abyssea Proc cells would never happen and its rather simple:
If they did make the cells, it would be far more ridiculous in price then it would be to shout with a gil reward for a WAR or NIN to come out and proc your monster to get the KI. If you can't do it yourself, then level a job that can, and if you won't level a job that can, then pony up the gil necessary. And if you chose not to do any of those, STFU and wait for a shout.

[Mirage]

Here is why Abyssea Proc cells would never happen and its rather simple:
If they did make the cells, it would be far more ridiculous in price then it would be to shout with a gil reward for a WAR or NIN to come out and proc your monster to get the KI. If you can't do it yourself, then level a job that can, and if you won't level a job that can, then pony up the gil necessary. And if you chose not to do any of those, STFU and wait for a shout.

Why would they be far more expensive than paying someone to do it for you? I didn't know you had inside information from SE about how much they would cost.

Most people have gotten through Abyssea and gotten the things they wanted, in many cases with fewer people than a full party, without any problem. What's yours?

From a purely objective point of view, Abyssea procs are not difficult in any way. The amount of procs is extremely limited and can be covered by a small handful of jobs depending on what kind of proc it is you want. If you want an example of a proc system that's extensive to the point of absurdity and could use some easing up here and there (example: looking at you in particular, BLU procs) look no further than Voidwatch. I have no idea why anyone would think the proc system that's already "easy mode" as far as procs go needs to be made any easier.

This thread basically reads off to me as "waaaaah I'm having a hard time soloing higher level content in a MMORPG"

What's my problem? Nothing at all. I have enough friends in the game to cover all procs for anything whenever we are all online. It is however annoying (not to mention boring) to always have to wait for one of them, and to always have to use the same party setup. Why exactly is it a bad thing if I could use a proc reset item so that it would be viable for my blm friend could sub whm instead of brd, and I could go thf/nin instead of blu/nin or dnc/nin? Oh no, someone's asking for more variety in old content! Quickly, someone stop him!

I never thought abyssea procs were anywhere close to fun, exciting or clever game mechanics. It encourages players to use very specific job combinations, instead of having fun with the jobs they'd prefer to be on. This is boring and annoying to me, and apparently a decent chunk of other players as well. Exactly what harm would it do to you if a proc reset item was implemented? You're accusing us of whining, but what you're doing yourself is whining about other people whining. That doesn't make you much better than the rest of us.

[Demon6324236]

All of that helps with seals how?... Oh wait, it doesn't.

[Elphy]

Speaking from experience, its not the system its the playerbase. And those calling us lazy or whatever are the ones with mutliple empys, nni/+2/etc gear, all their atmas/wins/lvls and got most of it when aby was fresh and new and it was cake to find ppl to participate and help

Been back for months and still no ls, they disband within a week or two due to lack of ppl on or they have been together so long they are not taking ppl, esp those of us who do not have all our prime gear yet.

Shouting is doable, except for the fact that it is really nearly impossible to get a pt of even 3 together to hunt seals or +2 or empy items. Even VW groups are getting harder and harder to fill. Ppl get what they want/need and they dont look back and are very unwilling to help others who are in need, instead they opt to afk in pj until they so something interesting.

If you want an empy mostly you gold box farm, duo box the ki mobs or buy pop sets and either brew for drops or duo box without procs. Making gettin an empy extremely time consuming and very expensive, resulting in an inability to enjoy the rest of the game due to the empy/relic/mythic only requirement on absolutely everything. And to get your seals and +2 items or anything else, its nearly manditory to duo box or run bst.

Making friends in this game is not an easy task, just look at the responses to this thread and you will get an idea of how friendly the playerbase is, and those of us who are friendly and do want to help are hushed by the trolls.

I would like a ls that would work on things for ppl. Back before the aby-bomb we had a fantastic ls that would run dyna to build a single person a relic and after that person got their relic, they would continue to run dyna to get the next persons relic. We climbed nyzel isle multiple times to get just 1 person to floor 100. Salvage, einherjar, all the same. But after aby so many of those ppl left due to the game going into the crapper and the suddenly way overpowered playerbase.

What we need is to stop all this bs and start working together as a community. So you have 5 empys? Why not help someone get their first, its not like your doing anything other than afking in pj anyway.

I like the OP's suggestion. If nothing else it will let those of us forced to solo/duobox get at least 1 set of good gear.

[Luvbunny]

Speaking from experience, its not the system its the playerbase. And those calling us lazy or whatever are the ones with mutliple empys, nni/+2/etc gear, all their atmas/wins/lvls and got most of it when aby was fresh and new and it was cake to find ppl to participate and help

Been back for months and still no ls, they disband within a week or two due to lack of ppl on or they have been together so long they are not taking ppl, esp those of us who do not have all our prime gear yet.

I would agree with most of your posting. Making new friends are hard and easy. It is easy to meet random people due to the nature of GoV and abyssea alliance style party. But it is harder to make meaningful "online friendship". But you can't be the only person who needs seals in the server, or plus 2. Farming KI only need one or two other person. It is far more important that you are leveling jobs that are useful in farming, ninja, warrior, thf, bst, blue, smn, whm and blm. A Whm and Ninja or Warrior is all you need for KI farm. Thf + Blue + Whm all you need for charged whiskers set up. Most new returning players have no clue though, they don't bother to read up, when someone is giving them shortcut easy suggestion they ignore them and proceed leveling useless jobs in abysea farm such as dark, ranger, dragoon, etc just because they love those jobs.

Plus 2 farming is depending on your playstyle. If you want more relaxed way, make a smn + bst and have a blm (who also have a bard and blue job) to proc for you. At the very minimum, smn and blm combo can easily tank and proc, it's a bit slower kill, but less of a headache. If you rather go head on, thief, ninja, monk and dancer works fine for tanking, with a whm to cure - but you will need your proc job or go on lights day.

At the very minimum you need ONE other person to help you. Or you can dual or triple box

[Fynlar]

Why would they be far more expensive than paying someone to do it for you? I didn't know you had inside information from SE about how much they would cost.

You have to remember, this is the same bunch of people that thought that letting us exchange a crystal petrifact for 100 cruor (even before they made cruor utterly worthless) was a worthwhile implementation, or that 100k gil for a single voidwatch weakening item was a fair trade. I think some educated guesses can be made on how much these hypothetical Abyssea auto-proc items would be.

[Alerith]

Proc'ing weakness is about as inconveniencing as having to reduce a monsters HP. It's a game mechanic, and it doesn't even extend to every single NM in the game.

It's like saying that you should be able to use an item to reduce an NMs max HP because you can't be arsed to gather enough DD to kill it.

[Demon6324236]

Except all mobs in the game require that you reduce their HP really, and that most do not have a time limit so your ability to reduce a mobs HP is only limited by your own patience, strong auto-regen, or your own inability to kill it before it kills you.