Suggestion: Aby proc cells

[Alerith]

This is a lazy player's suggestion. If you can't find people to proc with, then that's an issue with you, not the system. Implementing something like this would do nothing more than cripple group play even further with little to no real benefit.

[Trisscar]

This is a lazy player's suggestion. If you can't find people to proc with, then that's an issue with you, not the system. Implementing something like this would do nothing more than cripple group play even further with little to no real benefit.

Wow how wrong can you possibly get? This actually does help groups out a lot. Lets say you do manage to start getting people together for a seal run, but you can't fill the fourth slot. Not only is this not unheard of, but its fairly common. It's usually the BLM/BRD you can't get.

So what you expect that group to do? Sit around and shout fruitlessly for hours, increasing the chances that group will disband before killing a single thing?

The cell idea would allow the group to be able to cover that weakness of BLM or BRD if they come up even without having either present. And since reading for comprehension is apparently not a skill you've been keeping leveled, the cells do not have a 100% rate and are subject to the same limitations that normal proc have.

[hiko]

Wow how wrong can you possibly get? This actually does help groups out a lot. Lets say you do manage to start getting people together for a seal run, but you can't fill the fourth slot. Not only is this not unheard of, but its fairly common. It's usually the BLM/BRD you can't get.

So what you expect that group to do? Sit around and shout fruitlessly for hours, increasing the chances that group will disband before killing a single thing?

The cell idea would allow the group to be able to cover that weakness of BLM or BRD if they come up even without having either present. And since reading for comprehension is apparently not a skill you've been keeping leveled, the cells do not have a 100% rate and are subject to the same limitations that normal proc have.

don't need 4 people to farm seal if you have 3 people just have one change into BLM!


BLU/NIN + BLM/BRD cover all proc Earthsday --> Watersday --> Windsday --> Iceday (half the week) only miss dispel if start firesday, add a whm and you have everything full week

[Zagen]

Wow how wrong can you possibly get? This actually does help groups out a lot. Lets say you do manage to start getting people together for a seal run, but you can't fill the fourth slot. Not only is this not unheard of, but its fairly common. It's usually the BLM/BRD you can't get.

So what you expect that group to do? Sit around and shout fruitlessly for hours, increasing the chances that group will disband before killing a single thing?

The cell idea would allow the group to be able to cover that weakness of BLM or BRD if they come up even without having either present. And since reading for comprehension is apparently not a skill you've been keeping leveled, the cells do not have a 100% rate and are subject to the same limitations that normal proc have.

Or you could just level BLM/BRD like I did. Don't have a WHM, NIN, or BLU if you bother with BLU? I got those covered too. It took a week to level them up each because I took my time. This isn't the era where it's acceptable for players have 1 job leveled.

As Alerith said this is a solution for the lazy people and is counterproductive to group play. If you don't see how, here's just 1 example: I could go on NIN/DNC and cover all procs instead of just 3 for +1/2s.

[Trisscar]

Or you could just level BLM/BRD like I did. Don't have a WHM, NIN, or BLU if you bother with BLU? I got those covered too. It took a week to level them up each because I took my time. This isn't the era where it's acceptable for players have 1 job leveled.

As Alerith said this is a solution for the lazy people and is counterproductive to group play. If you don't see how, here's just 1 example: I could go on NIN/DNC and cover all procs instead of just 3 for +1/2s.

So it's lazy compared to buying KI to spawn (for example) Cloris, bypassing all the farming you would normally have to do?

If you can't see why the solution I suggest is better than I'm not sure if you'll ever understand even if I explain it to you.

Besides, you say you're concerned about it impacting groups. I fail to see how it could be anything but a boon for groups.

Don't have a MNK for blunt procs? No problem! Don't have anyone with GK when the red proc is Koki? No problem!

[Zagen]

So it's lazy compared to buying KI to spawn (for example) Cloris, bypassing all the farming you would normally have to do?

If you're lazy you wouldn't have the Gil to buy pops. Is it lazier than farming the pops yourself? Sure I'm not arguing that. This is a poor example because this is like buying pops off the AH instead of farming them. While you can buy a KI you still need to cover procs be it yellow, blue, red, or TH.

If you can't see why the solution I suggest is better than I'm not sure if you'll ever understand even if I explain it to you.

Your solution encourages soloists because the fact is people will take a sure fire way to proc over waiting for friends or trying to get people together, because we're all lazy.

Besides, you say you're concerned about it impacting groups. I fail to see how it could be anything but a boon for groups.

Did you even read my example?

Don't have a MNK for blunt procs? No problem! Don't have anyone with GK when the red proc is Koki? No problem!

Stop being lazy make friends with people who're on when you are that have these jobs or level them yourself.

[Alerith]

Wow how wrong can you possibly get? This actually does help groups out a lot. Lets say you do manage to start getting people together for a seal run, but you can't fill the fourth slot. Not only is this not unheard of, but its fairly common. It's usually the BLM/BRD you can't get.

No, this does not help groups out a lot. Because GROUPS comprise of MULTIPLE people. And if you have multiple people, you have multiple sources of procs.

These cells would do nothing more than encourage less group play because a group will no longer be required to proc. 100% activation or not, having cells in mass quantity make up for it's non-100% proc rate. Unless of course you limit these cells to Rare/Ex, then they become completely useless.

Also, you don't need 4 player slots for a successful seal/+2 item farm.

So what you expect that group to do? Sit around and shout fruitlessly for hours, increasing the chances that group will disband before killing a single thing?

I expect people to go out and kill the NM. If you're gonna disband because you're missing a handful of procs instead of doing something productive like fighting the NM with what you have, then again, it's your problem and not the system.

Choosing to disband with no gain over some form of gain fighting the actual NM is almost always the wrong decision for seal NMs, and can be a stupid choice for most +2 NMs with simple pop conditions.

The cell idea would allow the group to be able to cover that weakness of BLM or BRD if they come up even without having either present. And since reading for comprehension is apparently not a skill you've been keeping leveled, the cells do not have a 100% rate and are subject to the same limitations that normal proc have.

Weaknesses are different for a reason. If you were meant to be able to proc without the required jobs, it would be more in the style of Dynamis proc'ing, which I still don't find acceptable for Abyssea.

Also, as I said before, 100% activation or not is irrelevant if you can hold multiple cells, and if you can't, the cells are basically useless.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

No matter how little time I had, I was almost always able to find people to help in aby. For seals that is. Try streamlining your yells to be more efficient and inclue more auto. Also you need to shout along with it in port jeuno as this is the major hub. Not everyone has yell turned on and if you're not shouting in the largest zone, then what's the point? Don't forget that you have to stand in the middle of the zone, if you're at the mog house or the exit, people on theother ends wont see your shouts.

Example: SAM, WAR, WHM [Head] [Paper] [Do you need it?] [/tell]

The simpler and more strait forward you keep it, the more people will understand.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Well having the procs and having skill are different and your brd only needs to be, I forget, like 24. lol

[Trisscar]

Well having the procs and having skill are different and your brd only needs to be, I forget, like 24. lol

Actually skill is still vital, even in Abyssea. Unless you think missing with all the spells you throw at it (even with Elemental Seal) is a good thing?