Is there a future?

[Arcon]

My friend got a 2week suspension on his account for being in these parties, At the time the GM stated that by gathering all the mobs of the zone and killing in one big blast was considered RMT activity by using the drops for gil.

Either your friend or you are lying, I suspect the latter.

And thats why i see trains of characters with names like asdfg running through towns and receiving 2-3 /tells a week from them offering me gil at amazingly low prices. Yeah really sounds dead to me.

Whether they're dead or not is not measured by the fact that they're playing, but by the fact how much gil they're actually selling. Evidence I have supporting my statement is reason for one, because I find it hard to believe that anyone is dumb enough to buy gil anymore with so many easy and quick ways available, and especially on a game at this late stage. Also, I don't know about Asura, but I didn't get a single tell in years. Also, character names mean shit.

I'm not saying it as a "doomsayer" i wish to know why SE keeps working against themselves lately and even more so with these boards that were made to listen to us on a better field being ignored now more then ever.

Only they never did anything else. SE have been pushing idiotic moves, one after another, ever since the game was released, and they never listened to anyone at all before these forums (although I agree that it seems like they still don't, I think I'd attribute their "listening" to players' requests to coincidence at this point). Hence, you proclaiming that suddenly everything got worse and they're evil or stupid or whatever, is nothing more than doomsaying.

Then they should change more then just that then, trumpet rings still NPC for a fair amount and i always see the same few people crafting them for hours nonstop by a NPC and that has been abused more then chocoblinkers by use of fishing bots, So if i'm right your saying legit selling of items to NPC's shouldn't be allowed but using 3rd party programs to make money is ok then?

While I hope they adjust that as well, nothing was even nearly as bad as cruor in that respect, not by a long shot. This needed to be addressed asap.

WoTG, which is their last expansion lasted over 6 years, where you actually able to finish the last missions and get your reward. SIX whole years to finish a mission.

It was three years (November 2007 to December 2010). Which is still very bad, and one of the two reasons WotG failed as an expansion in my eyes (the other being lack of rewarding endgame content).

[Luvbunny]

It was three years (November 2007 to December 2010). Which is still very bad, and one of the two reasons WotG failed as an expansion in my eyes (the other being lack of rewarding endgame content).

WoTG has many great ideas that lift invisible walls and offer players events that can be joined by many. Unfortunately, SE did a real poor implementation on WoTG ideas, and still yet refuse to adjust it and acknowledge many great ideas that players have contributed in the forum. Zilart has relic, ToAU has mythic, Abyssea has empyrean, and yet WoTG was given a lackluster downgrade of Empyrean. A lot of things they did make absolutely no sense...

[Nala]

Not to mention the premise of the WoTG storyline was heavily recycling pre-exsisting lore in 11 when there are many many many other locations that they could have used/expanded to that'd been way more interesting like the far east or mithran homland, now we are getting SoA based off 2 very minor and obscure references to it one being from WoTG itself.

[Arcon]

I don't think Campaign would have taken off, ever, regardless of any changes. Half of the changes people suggest are just for EXP, skillup or rankup purposes, but none of them has any WotG specific rewards. It wasn't like Limbus, which had AF1+1 and Homam/Nashira gear, or Dynamis with currency and AF2/+1, sky with gods gear and abjurations, etc. Sea, sky, Limbus, Dynamis, Einherjar, Salvage, Nyzul all had relevant endgame gear that kept people playing those events, WotG had nothing comparable, hence people gave up on it.

[Secondplanet]

Either your friend or you are lying, I suspect the latter.

You must have missed out on a lot of the game, you do know the game has been going on for more then the limited time its obvious you have been playing for.

Whether they're dead or not is not measured by the fact that they're playing, but by the fact how much gil they're actually selling. Evidence I have supporting my statement is reason for one, because I find it hard to believe that anyone is dumb enough to buy gil anymore with so many easy and quick ways available, and especially on a game at this late stage. Also, I don't know about Asura, but I didn't get a single tell in years. Also, character names mean shit.

In the LS i'm in we're always joking over all the tells we get and to see who can get more in a certain time frame, the way it looks like it works is they go in alphabetical order cause someone with a name starting with L will get a tell and about 30mins-1hour later i'll get one. Also with the character names mean shit you mean to say if you saw a whole party of characters with names like asdfg, qwert, zxcvb and tyuui all on anon doesn't seem a bit off to you? or are you one of the ones employing them?

Only they never did anything else. SE have been pushing idiotic moves, one after another, ever since the game was released, and they never listened to anyone at all before these forums (although I agree that it seems like they still don't, I think I'd attribute their "listening" to players' requests to coincidence at this point). Hence, you proclaiming that suddenly everything got worse and they're evil or stupid or whatever, is nothing more than doomsaying.

I would say that everything is starting to get worse, with the lack of new material, expansions, decent time sinks its easy to see that all they have been doing lately. I have all expansions finished and mini expansions and with VW and legion etc... nothing more then a waste of time for gear with no relevance to any form of a story. I have been seeing more and more changes to abilities and other aspects of the game with little to no positive effect on the game itself.

[Kriegsgott]

I don't think Campaign would have taken off, ever, regardless of any changes. Half of the changes people suggest are just for EXP, skillup or rankup purposes, but none of them has any WotG specific rewards. It wasn't like Limbus, which had AF1+1 and Homam/Nashira gear, or Dynamis with currency and AF2/+1, sky with gods gear and abjurations, etc. Sea, sky, Limbus, Dynamis, Einherjar, Salvage, Nyzul all had relevant endgame gear that kept people playing those events, WotG had nothing comparable, hence people gave up on it.

/sigh.....
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Iron_Ram_Hauberk_Set
lots of pld had few pieces or even the full set if you had to deal with Tiamat and different stuff

[Luvbunny]

I don't think Campaign would have taken off, ever, regardless of any changes. Half of the changes people suggest are just for EXP, skillup or rankup purposes, but none of them has any WotG specific rewards. It wasn't like Limbus, which had AF1+1 and Homam/Nashira gear, or Dynamis with currency and AF2/+1, sky with gods gear and abjurations, etc. Sea, sky, Limbus, Dynamis, Einherjar, Salvage, Nyzul all had relevant endgame gear that kept people playing those events, WotG had nothing comparable, hence people gave up on it.

I totally agree with you on this. I think they drop the ball on WoTG contents, really really badly!! There is hardly any endgame gears, Walk of Echoes is actually a fantastic idea, but as usual, they are implementing it in the most horrible ways possible. Adding more WoTG BCNMs with exclusive gears would works wonder. Adding more gears at 99 you can purchase with AN would revitalize campaign. Adding WoE points for specific gears or augmenting current gears would be fantastic. So many things they can do but none they do.

To be honest WoE do have specific gears that are good. But the overall feel was just not great in comparison to all the others endgame from other expansion. When Voidwatch and Abyssea become the defacto gears, there is something clearly wrong with their game design...

[Luvbunny]

Perhaps we should consult Madam Cleo and ask her if there is a future in this game? Caller? What's your name?

[Sarick]

If we want a voice about this SE could just do something like the FTC is doing now for robo calls.

See this link is how to get the community involved.

Then make a voting system for those suggestions so that everyone can vote on it.

[Arcon]

/sigh.....
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Iron_Ram_Hauberk_Set
lots of pld had few pieces or even the full set if you had to deal with Tiamat and different stuff

Including me. But it doesn't qualify for several reasons:
a) It wasn't endgame. I started EXPing in campaign when no one invited PLDs to parties anymore (which was around Lv60), and I had the full set before I hit 75. It requires neither high level, nor high skills, nor good gear, nor strategy. It was mainly an EXP alternative.
b) It could be done solo, and required no group efforts. It was done by people on their own, whenever they had some time off from regular events, not as a LS. In fact, with competition you sometimes made less, because I remember waves dying too quickly and people not getting enough EXP.
c) It was deterministic (no randomized drops), you could calculate exactly how long it would take you to complete, and there was no way of making it faster or slower, which means you weren't motivated to put any effort in, other than keep hitting mobs in campaign. At some point you simply had enough points and could buy it.
d) That point was not very far away. Aside from the wait time for rankups, it took very little farming to get the necessary points for it. Like I said, I got it just from EXPing regularly when I got the chance.
e) That set for PLD was literally the only good thing about it, and only if you did care enough for some additional magic defense and enmity items. It was only ever useful for high end Paladins who had everything else capped. There was no motivation for anyone else to get their respective sets, as such a large part of the community was not interested in doing it regularly, and the ones that did didn't do so for the items.

To be honest WoE do have specific gears that are good. But the overall feel was just not great in comparison to all the others endgame from other expansion. When Voidwatch and Abyssea become the defacto gears, there is something clearly wrong with their game design...

I'm actually a bit embarrassed that I completely forgot about WoE. Although that fact alone hints at its significance. WoE did indeed have some situational nice gear, and especially expensive gear, but due to its setup and its lotting rules it was never popular to be done as a LS event, but instead it became a pickup event (sometimes involuntarily).