[dev1139] Embrava and Prefect Defense - Just say 'NO'

[Return1]

The butthurt is strong in this thread.

The adjustment for PD was really light.

As for Embrava, of course people will whine about it, but the Duration is kinda fitting for a 2 hour. Sucks about the Regain but it's only a really big deal for 1 handed DDs. You know, the ones no one uses. That or failure 2handers that don't have an x-hit build.

[Iakothm]

The butthurt is strong in this thread.

The adjustment for PD was really light.

As for Embrava, of course people will whine about it, but the Duration is kinda fitting for a 2 hour. Sucks about the Regain but it's only a really big deal for 1 handed DDs. You know, the ones no one uses. That or failure 2handers that don't have an x-hit build.

lol fail troll is a fail.

[Return1]

It's not trolling.

The game would be better if Embrava and Perfect Defense were never implemented. Even with the nerfs they're better than most 2hrs in the damn game.

The butthurt in this thread is ridiculous.

[AceTaru]

/sigh everyone just face it SE isnt going to listen to us. and just gonna poopcan it anyways. its what they always do. the regain/refresh switch is a horrible idea, and they know it. their looking for someway to make it so other jobs are more desirable. what they failed to do was buff the other support jobs, like RDM, or BRD to compete with embrava sch. you cant just nerf perfect defense, then it just because semi decent okay defense. When you only give us one strategy to kill something thats how we do it, then we get punished for it. dont take away our options. give us more options. help us, dont hinder us.

[Demon6324236]

Admittedly though PD/Embrava were overpowered I think they are just about the only 2-hours which were deserving of that timer. Any time we have put 2-hours to great use though, it seems as though it goes away after a bit. Perfect Dodge was at a time used for kiting the dragons for the Dyna-Beau, now its impossible thanks to the range, BW+SE was awesome for DRK, and then that went down.

2-hours are never going to be actually good because they cant limit them enough, people use them for 1 event, then wait for the abilities, then do another event. When we use 2-hours in a way that actually makes them worth the wait, they are nerfed, or they force content to be a certain way. In this case, PD/Embrava started getting to out of hand, and now they have been nerfed. I doubt anyone disagrees that they needed nerfed, just the extent they nerfed them, and the fact they were nerfed this late, made the abilities worthless & also made the events based around them much to difficult even after "adjustments" we will be getting so far.

All I can hope is the new SP abilities, and the reformed old ones, are really worth 1 hour to 30 minutes of recast, while at the same time not being so over powered they need to be nerfed again. Also I hope SE stops making content that they plan for us to beat a way we never learn how. So far as I understand we never learned exactly how to beat AV at 75, any strat by the players were nerfed and we were told there was a way, whatever it was, there was a way. Content that can not be completed, and any way to complete it is taken away, is bad content, end of story.

[ManaKing]

I think RDM could use a lot more spells: TP reduction, plague, magic defense bonus, magic damage absorb, reducing mob physical damage resistance, reducing mob magic damage resistance, magic attack bonus spells, magic accuracy spells. You should look at blue mage and how spoiled that job is, pretty much have all the enfeebling spells that can be shared with RDM. All those spells would make RDM shine once again, and obviously more youtube videos of people actually playing the job correctly, having fun, and stretching the limit of what you can do as RDM.

The job isn't that bad, it's just not broken good or handed everything.

Everyone is well aware of what BLU is, that plays RDM. It's not RDM. For all those buffs and debuffs that BLU could use, they don't. Either they don't work, or they don't work as well as damage output. Then when BLU can't do damage output, SE makes them do proc spells, because it's easier than fixing BLU.

This community is obviously closed minded about tactics, hence this thread at all. Why would you want to play a job that can custom tailor itself to lots of different situations, when you won't find people willing to play in any mode other than ZERG MODE! The price you pay to switch spells on BLU is just another stinging reminder of how much people just want things easy, instead of taking the time to enjoy the game and actually play it.

[ManaKing]

It's not trolling.

The game would be better if Embrava and Perfect Defense were never implemented. Even with the nerfs they're better than most 2hrs in the damn game.

The butthurt in this thread is ridiculous.

He's not trolling, he has an opinion and it happens to be against what the majority of people are being butthurt about, and he's calling you on it.

[Luvbunny]

Everyone is well aware of what BLU is, that plays RDM. It's not RDM. For all those buffs and debuffs that BLU could use, they don't. Either they don't work, or they don't work as well as damage output. Then when BLU can't do damage output, SE makes them do proc spells, because it's easier than fixing BLU.

This community is obviously closed minded about tactics, hence this thread at all. Why would you want to play a job that can custom tailor itself to lots of different situations, when you won't find people willing to play in any mode other than ZERG MODE! The price you pay to switch spells on BLU is just another stinging reminder of how much people just want things easy, instead of taking the time to enjoy the game and actually play it.

Hence those said spells should be given to RDM as well with increased potency and actually be able to land them to affect the tide of battles. This way it will free up BLU to do damage, it's not like they will run out of spells, they have over 100 to choose from, they still can do it beside just sitting iddle proccing in Voidwatch, the problem is spell switching and if you only have 1 blue, that person will end up just proccing and not much else.

When this happen, you can bring RDM to do what they do best, enfeeble the heck of the NM so their tp gain is minimal, slowed, blinded, paralyzed, gravity, bio, lower their physical damage resistance, lower their magic damage resistance, reduce their tps so they no longer able to perform back to back TP moves. Strategy like this that prevent Embrava + Perfect Defense + Stun Lock exploit in the first place.

[Luvbunny]

What they failed to do was buff the other support jobs, like RDM, or BRD to compete with embrava sch. you cant just nerf perfect defense, then it just because semi decent okay defense. When you only give us one strategy to kill something thats how we do it, then we get punished for it. dont take away our options. give us more options. help us, dont hinder us.

This. They are not making other support jobs perform better so that you can pursue other options other than the usual strategy. They take a lot and yet given so little back to us. Our feedbacks are ignored and not listened.

[dpdhuntress]

The bottom line is basically the 3 main things a Linkshell does (not count Voidwatch since most of the time their shout groups) is ADL, CD, and legion. All require COR, SMN, SCH.

Legion with Embrava/PD after that update will be a horror show....people will eventually stop doing it

ADL is manageable but with a decreased PD there will be a better chance something can go wrong

CD sometimes even with PD/embrava now.....things can go wrong but its also manageable

Nerf does mess with those 3 but Legion will be hit the hardest by far