Adjustments to Embrava and Perfect Defense

[Camiie]

Honestly, if they implemented the patch exactly as stated:
4) Provenance would be slightly more annoying, in that you'd need better DDs to win the zerg because you have to eat 2 Marches.

What exactly do you mean by better? Where's the line going to be drawn now? I guess I'm really posing that question to SE, not that they'd ever answer it. Are we supposed to have gotten all 1500 HMPs before we even set foot in Provenance? Are we supposed to have gone 5/5 or 15/15 from NNI as well? Does SE even think about such things? While I get that Provevance isn't the hardest thing in the game it's already somewhat exclusionary. How much more so will it become?

[Monchat]

singing 4 songs is long you know. especially if you want good songs ie you have to overwrite DDB songs with +3 instruments, takes at least 1 minute.

[Yinnyth]

The WS after split is instant, so if he wants to hit you with oblivion smash's paralyze, you ain't stunning that regardless of chainsquall. Speaking from experience, the paralyze from oblivion smash has an unfair proc rate.

[Byrth]

The new SP ability and PD aren't exclusive, and the new SP ability refills your MP.

PD -> 57 seconds of damage/status resistance with a good build
New SP -> 30 seconds of shock squalls

So the split isn't an issue because you'll still have PD up. Just start summoning Alex after the pop and you'll kill one clone every time for sure.

[saevel]

The new SP ability and PD aren't exclusive, and the new SP ability refills your MP.

PD -> 57 seconds of damage/status resistance with a good build
New SP -> 30 seconds of shock squalls

So the split isn't an issue because you'll still have PD up. Just start summoning Alex after the pop and you'll kill one clone every time for sure.

We can kill one clone without PD, double oblivion smash sucks hard core but it's not enough to wipe you. The problem comes after the first one dies and you got to kill the second. By then you've taken more damage and there is a very good chance it'll get one move off before you squall it at 25~30%, if that move is an oblivion smash then it's game over as your SMN's just died meaning no squall so no stun during it's implosion middle finger phase. Between 60 and 25% HP ADL really REALLY likes to use O smash. If you stun the second clone when you engage then it'll wear under 25% and again big middle finger time. I don't know where you get 57s unless your piling on every scrap of summoning magic skill that's around now, I figured between 52~55 will be what you can expect. That's not the full story though, right now PD lasts 45s then starts to deteriorate rapidly for the next 45s. Under the "new" system it would be 30s of near immunity where it then rapidly deteriorates. Honestly your looking at only 40~45s of real protection, gotta time it really tight if you want it to last through the second clone. His damn summoning animation then the re-engagement time is just a huge PD time sink.

[Zamms]

We have killed ADL with 4 clones out and no PD, obviously your DD are terrible. When we do ADL we have mythic drk, mythic drg, mythic sam, relic/empy brd and a mythic whm. It is not as bad as you think, try switching into pdt set when it is starting to split take alot less damage, and yes shadow mantle can proc and take 0 damage. As for Prov who needs PD and embrava on it, rotate stuns on it and it wont cast spells the fight is easy., AV is even easier with 99 Aegis PLD can live thru chainspell meteor and take next to nothing in damage, instead of zerging it you can just melee kill and have pld hold if it goes bad. Yes we use embrava and PD but it is mainly to kill ADL and Legion fast so we can do mutiple runs, but we can do multiple runs without them just takes more prep time. Instead of us doing 3-5 waves of Mul will only be able to do 3 and possibly half of 4th.

[Rezeak]

We have killed ADL with 4 clones out and no PD, obviously your DD are terrible. When we do ADL we have mythic drk, mythic drg, mythic sam, relic/empy brd and a mythic whm.

Man i saw a ls hack the other day cause they had no mythics and killed ADL. Really ADL is either about stunning or perfect defense.

btw i do find weird that pple forget SE said that the new 2hrs will be on separate recasts meaning 57 secs of PD followed by 30 secs of Chain shock squall ^^

[Llana_Virren]

We have killed ADL with 4 clones out and no PD, obviously your DD are terrible.

Beating it down to sub-40% HP, it splitting, and then stunlocking it and killing the correct one first is not a winning strategy over using PD. It's luck. Players confuse luck for skill all the time.

[saevel]

Beating it down to sub-40% HP, it splitting, and then stunlocking it and killing the correct one first is not a winning strategy over using PD. It's luck. Players confuse luck for skill all the time.

Honestly he was just trolling everyone here, probably to get a laugh for the media forums.

ADL splitting that low and producing four copied would mean four instant TP moves. At that low HP he has access to Tera Slash and if it split into four then it has access to implosion. So a combination of Oblivion Smash, Tera Slash and Implosion went off simultaneously, yeah it's pretty much game over.

I'm willing to bet he doesn't even do ADL as he mentioned DD's. Anyone who's fought ADL knows he's weak as a wet paper bag defensibly. Toss a few buffs around and ensure your DD's are riding capped magic haste and two to three DD's can tear ADL in half, it's his cheesy move spammage that you have to deal with. You actually don't want to kill him to fast at first so you end up holding back a bit.

[Zamms]

Killing all 4 with no PD or embrava and not dieing should have been said by my 1st post