Adjustments to Embrava and Perfect Defense

[MarkovChain]

Stunning is hard guys, legion elitism. It's pretty pathetic, especially after SE explicitely stated you needed to farm other endgame to win. Imo they made this post just to revive some interest for legion because they clearly see it's a fiasco. A fiasco on which the crafting system expansion is entirely dependant. Double fail. Here is the situation of the good gear distribution atm.

50% : Abyssea.
10% : VW for some jobs and situationnally side grades for AF3+2.
10% : nyzul same as above.
10% : dynamis
20% : Other sources (AH meeble ..)
1% : legion.

No SE, you will not trick us. People don't do legion not because it's "hard" but because there is nothing to get out of it.

[Byrth]

For DNC, Legion offers Khepri head/body and Pugiunculus. It also drops the mats you need to make Khepri legs and the Honors you need to augment all the Khepri gear. If you restrict it to things that you can obtain specifically from Legion and not from the AH, I'd say it offers Khepri head and Pugiunculus.

For SMN, Legion offers Esper Earring and Ngen Seraweels.

For WAR, Legion offers Kumarbi's Akar (Regen set) and C.Feet. It is also the major source of Ormolu ingots and the only source of Honors.


These lists are very short and often buyable. As a gil source, I pulled in about 4~5mil average per 2 hour Legion run, which is good for people that don't want to farm ADL. If other groups on my server were better at Legion, I wouldn't make nearly as much gil. Still, is this *that* bad when compared against a level 75 standard? What were the lists for all of the Ground HNM scene like at 75?

WAR - E.body, Ridill (when people wanted Ridill)
MNK - Black Belt
THF - N.head, N.legs
PLD - Nothing
BLM+RDM - Zenith Mitts (also could get from Genbu) and maybe Dalmatica before Salvage?
WHM - Nothing
SAM - Nothing
RNG - Nothing
etc.

Compared to that, Legion is super rewarding.

[SpankWustler]

I think that's both in and out of perspective. Nidhogg and Co. were created when much less equipment existed and most of the equipment that did exist was overtly awful.

Moving back and back in time towards Rise of the Zilart, the list of useful stuff from Nidhogg and Co. expands a bit. Also, so much of the equipment was so awful back then that getting the best or second-best piece could mean no longer needing to use a piece of equipment that rightly should never have existed.

Right now, Legion is relatively new and its equipment is as relevant on paper as it will ever be. The crafted sets from Legion will probably become easier to craft, but that won't make them any better.

Although, I imagine already having so much equipment that isn't cat-poop-on-fire-shaped-into-the-likeness-of-your-dead-fiance makes it much harder to add equipment that people find appealing. So, maybe there's a Catch-22 here and Legion is roughly as rewarding as the average modern event can be, after all?

Also, sorry, but I couldn't resist...

Pugiunculus.

Half pug. Half homunculus.

[MarkovChain]

For WAR, Legion offers Kumarbi's Akar (Regen set)

Can you be serious a minute.

[Byrth]

That's pretty much what I'm going for. Given that these options exist and we can't have events justified by the horridness of alternatives anymore, Legion is approximately as rewarding as a level 75 event was just before the level cap increase, when there existed a lot of 70-75 armor.

Many Samurais did Salvage purely for Usukane feet and body. Compared to that level of effort, Legion isn't bad.

[saevel]

For WAR, Legion offers Kumarbi's Akar (Regen set) and C.Feet. It is also the major source of Ormolu ingots and the only source of Honors.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Sorry had to get that out.

There are some decent upgrades for mages, but the vast majority of the gear is 1~2% improvement at best, if it even has improvement. Legion is mostly for people to say their doing something rather then spamming the same old content.

[Byrth]

I AM serious. Seriously running around regening 12 HP/tick like a boss!

Haters gonna hate.

[MarkovChain]

Checking out my invo (mnk).

4 items come from dynamis (one of them being a relic)
8 items come from AH (mostly bcnm or crafted stuff)
13 items from abyssea
3 from voidwatch (with 2 being AH able)
3 from meeble
3 from salvage
4 from artifact
1 from walk of echoes
1 from legion (AH-able)
1 from sky
2 from neo nyzul
2 from hnms
3 from sea/limbus
1 random from imperial standing rank

[Mahoro]

Checking out my invo (mnk).

4 items come from dynamis (one of them being a relic)
8 items come from AH (mostly bcnm or crafted stuff)
13 items from abyssea
3 from voidwatch (with 2 being AH able)
3 from meeble
3 from salvage
4 from artifact
1 from walk of echoes
1 from legion (AH-able)
1 from sky
2 from neo nyzul
2 from hnms
3 from sea/limbus
1 random from imperial standing rank

You are essentially proving my point. Legion's proportion of useful equipment is more or less the same as the vast majority of events added in the last several years. About ~20% useful spread out amongst the 20 jobs and ~80% crap. Count up the useful pieces from VW, WoE, Neo-Limbus, etc., divide by the total number of items in each event, and you will find similar proportions (~10%-25%). We already know SE throws a lot of junk gear into its events. This is not new. Does that mean we should just stop playing all new content?

Did YOU yourself refrain from doing Meeble Burrows because you discovered it had one or two good MNK pieces, but the majority of the other items are crap? Of course not. As a WHM + SMN-gearing player, would I automatically condemn the event and all of my MNK friends who want to do it simply because there isn't anything I need from a WHM + SMN perspective? Of course not.

Nobody is denying Abyssea has the highest concentration of useful gear of any event in recent memory. In fact, the event surprisingly blew away the ~10-25% percentage and brought it to something like ~80% or higher. Everybody made it their business to get full sets of all the AF3 gear. We KNOW this already. Stop comparing apples and oranges.

What you keep irrationally refuting is the proposition that anyone who does Legion is not doing it because they are elitists, but simply because they are looking for some fun, challenging content to min/max their characters when they have everything else for their jobs.

[Byrth]

For my WAR:

5 from Dynamis (Ragnarok included)
9 from AH
15 from Abyssea (Ukon and augmented items included)
12 from Voidwatch (9 buyable if you include bodies)
0 from meeble (but some day 1)
0 from artifact
1 from walk of echoes
2 from Legion
1 from Sky
4 from neo nyzul
4 from sea
1 from limbus
1 from campaign
2 mission reward (Moonshade and Rajas)
1 that I apparently didn't count anywhere because this only adds to 58 and I have 59 items in my inventory


I'm using a pretty minimal set at the moment because I'm just out testing, but these are the basics.