New Job Ideas

[Vortex]

Did you miss the part about the buff/extended weakened timer? I did not say it would make them undead. I said it would be dark-based, in contrast to the current light based Raise spells, not sure where that's confusing.

A Scholar is just a Black Mage/White Mage then, should be removed.

I disagree, while it shares the same spells SCH allows you to use those spells in a more complex and
much smarter way, it's not like blm where you just press a macro and boom, 1.5k damage
SCH requires THINKING, and sadly, alot of players aren't good at thinking, which is why it's a rarely used job and even more rare to see someone actually good at it. it shouldn't be removed, the retarded people who don't know how to use it properly should be removed.

A Dancer is just a Ninja/White Mage then, should be removed.

White Magic requires spells that cost MP Ninja requires spells that cost consumable tools

Dancer dosnt cost anything but TP..No where near the same thing, whm and ninja can't reduce targets defense, evasion, magic evasion, critical evasion, and drain HP from the target from each hit. another job that is hard to master due to the requiroment of "thinking"

A Blue Mage is just a Red Mage with Spells he learned from animals then, should be removed..

Blue mage spells are very unique, some of which aren't even seen by other jobs i won't even go into details on this one because there is just no point, and no where near similer to rdm in any way shape or form.

A Corsair is just a Ranger/Bard then, should be removed.

I dont think you're even trying anymore, why not try actually playing these jobs?

A Dark Knight is just a Warrior/Black Mage then, should be removed.
A Paladin is just a Warrior/White Mage then, should be removed.

Should I stop before I get to the point where there's only like 6-8 jobs left?

No because there is no point, none of what you just said is even close to comparison, each of those jobs have uniquie abilites that are well thought out.

All you're describing is "well it can restore Hp so it's just like white mage"

Cause a job that can use multiple creatures as a shield for people is completely useless and there's totally another job that can do that.

Yes..it's called...beastmaster.....summoner...they all can tank mobs and keep players from being damaged from thier own damage..i understand you are trying for a new idea but this one is simply no diffrent.

[Zyeriis]

I disagree, while it shares the same spells SCH allows you to use those spells in a more complex and
much smarter way, it's not like blm where you just press a macro and boom, 1.5k damage
SCH requires THINKING, and sadly, alot of players aren't good at thinking, which is why it's a rarely used job and even more rare to see someone actually good at it. it shouldn't be removed, the retarded people who don't know how to use it properly should be removed.


White Magic requires spells that cost MP Ninja requires spells that cost consumable tools

Dancer dosnt cost anything but TP..No where near the same thing, whm and ninja can't reduce targets defense, evasion, magic evasion, critical evasion, and drain HP from the target from each hit. another job that is hard to master due to the requiroment of "thinking"



Blue mage spells are very unique, some of which aren't even seen by other jobs i won't even go into details on this one because there is just no point, and no where near similer to rdm in any way shape or form.


I dont think you're even trying anymore, why not try actually playing these jobs?



No because there is no point, none of what you just said is even close to comparison, each of those jobs have uniquie abilites that are well thought out.

All you're describing is "well it can restore Hp so it's just like white mage"



Yes..it's called...beastmaster.....summoner...they all can tank mobs and keep players from being damaged from thier own damage..i understand you are trying for a new idea but this one is simply no diffrent.

You wasted your time by missing the entire point of what I said. All of these unique abilities weren't all there to begin with. As for the part about Necromancer hybrid tank-pet job. You, again, are completely minsinterpretting it, there is a massive difference. Neither Summoners nor Beastmaster's are applicable party tanks. Sure they can tank a mob for a bit, so can every other job (cept maybe scholar) in the game.

Back to the "should be removed" statements.
"Well it can restore hp (with the same spell) so it's just like white mage"
"Well it can charm enemies so it's just like beastmaster"

I understand that you are merely trying to avoid being proven wrong that there are many viable ideas.

Btw, Corsair is my main. I dare say I was one of the best corsair's on server at the time, was only missing like 3 pieces of equipment.

If in the end, you want something like it needs to use consumable items to make it different, then it's even more like beastmaster (see: jug pets).

The point is, no matter it is given, it will, regardless, in some way, be similar to another job, just like every other job there is right now. That is completely inevitable and it is a completely stupid to try and use that aspect in your argument.

You can argue that it will be very similar to Dark Knight but that Dark Knight will be better. No, that's why I brought up the minion tank idea. Not in the same vein as a Summoner using Stoneskin-ga or a pet, to temporarily tank or a beastmaster using a pet as a shield to keep himself alive. I was talking longer term tanking. That is different, entirely from Dark Knight, Summoner, and Beastmaster. There's also the matter of linked hp or is that too, unoriginal. The closest thing is Spirit Link from Dragoon.

Going further, Necromancer would not even need an actual charm ability (not that it would necessarily lack one). It would only need a job ability to summon undead. The undead summoned would be based upon the area the Necromancer is currently in and they would only be able to summon weaker than themselves versions of said creatures.

[Nu-Hir]

Btw, Corsair is my main. I dare say I was one of the best corsair's on server at the time, was only missing like 3 pieces of equipment.

I've seen relic owners get out damaged by people without relics back in the 75 cap days. Gear does not make a person good. Knowing how to play a job does.

[Yawn]

If the mosnters are weaker than the necromancer, how couldthey tank? Perhaps, they couldbe an equal level, but they would have to be unsummoned >> resummoned at level up to gain the same level bonuses? or would they be like dragoon pets, which level up based onthe ammount of battles they are out?