TH Procing

[Arcon]

A flaky solution is still a solution. And solutions make for happier customers.

That explains why everyone is so happy about SE's solution to Embrava/PD.

There are solutions that do not make people happy. I called it a flaky solution because it seems to cover the problem, but it really doesn't really connect all the pieces and it will fall apart again in the future. That is not a real solution in the first place.

The best I can say to this topic is the old saying:
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

[ManaKing]

That explains why everyone is so happy about SE's solution to Embrava/PD.

There are solutions that do not make people happy. I called it a flaky solution because it seems to cover the problem, but it really doesn't really connect all the pieces and it will fall apart again in the future. That is not a real solution in the first place.

The best I can say to this topic is the old saying:
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

I'm perfectly happy with Embrava/PD being finally addressed.

We are at lvl 99. A fix at this point wouldn't really fall apart since we aren't going past 99.

[Arcon]

I'm perfectly happy with Embrava/PD being finally addressed.

Regardless, you can't say the same about the community or SE's customers in general, seeing how almost everyone you seems to rage about it. That's not satisfying their customers.

We are at lvl 99. A fix at this point wouldn't really fall apart since we aren't going past 99.

This has nothing to do with levels. New gear will always be pushed out until the game dies, and when it does, the new knife will fall behind again.

[ManaKing]

Regardless, you can't say the same about the community or SE's customers in general, seeing how almost everyone you seems to rage about it. That's not satisfying their customers.

Everyone on the forums that is against it is vocal. The people who are for it, generally only say it once or twice and then move on because it's no longer an issue to them. Plenty of people are going to be happy to get rid of PD/Embrava since it's already old, boring, and is the blanket strategy for anything that people don't want to take the time to figure out themselves.

[Zagen]

Everyone on the forums that is against it is vocal. The people who are for it, generally only say it once or twice and then move on because it's no longer an issue to them. Plenty of people are going to be happy to get rid of PD/Embrava since it's already old, boring, and is the blanket strategy for anything that people don't want to take the time to figure out themselves.

It's the strategy not because people don't want to take time to figure out other options but because SE in their infinite wisdom thought "monsters that 1-2 shot players" and "an event where so much luck is involved that speed is a major win/lose factor" were good idea. Look at the uses of Perfect Defense and/or Embrava outside of Legion, ADL, NNI. While pretty powerful they aren't used as the go to strategies because other options are available.

As to TH if the gear that had TH+ on it was good then it wouldn't be an issue. But the gear sucks and it's clear with the way TH works SE doesn't want THF to be a DD, just a TH whore and Enmity specialist, both of which it pretty much sucks at because of how both systems work.

[Arcon]

Everyone on the forums that is against it is vocal. The people who are for it, generally only say it once or twice and then move on because it's no longer an issue to them.

Name one person (other than yourself) who was for it.

Plenty of people are going to be happy to get rid of PD/Embrava since it's already old, boring, and is the blanket strategy for anything that people don't want to take the time to figure out themselves.

Entirely not the point and completely unfounded assumption. Everyone knows Embrava and PD were overpowered. But SE's solution to it was bad, so it made people unhappy. They nerfed them without adjusting the content, which upset everyone because it will make it nearly impossible to clear in a reliable form. There is currently no indication at all that "people are going to be happy" about this. Case in point, solutions can go wrong as well. SE needs to time thinking about what they do before doing it. Just doing something without regard for what's good and what isn't will help no one in the end.

Although all of this seems to be more and more off-topic, as I still don't consider this a problem worth solving.

[ManaKing]

Entirely not the point and completely unfounded assumption. Everyone knows Embrava and PD were overpowered. But SE's solution to it was bad, so it made people unhappy. They nerfed them without adjusting the content, which upset everyone because it will make it nearly impossible to clear in a reliable form. There is currently no indication at all that "people are going to be happy" about this. Case in point, solutions can go wrong as well. SE needs to time thinking about what they do before doing it. Just doing something without regard for what's good and what isn't will help no one in the end.

Although all of this seems to be more and more off-topic, as I still don't consider this a problem worth solving.

I'm more than willing to give a new dev team the ability to try to actually do their job first before telling them that they don't know what they are doing. FFXI isn't dead and the management has changed. If they want to address the issues of a boring end game, then let them. I'd much rather they try something that they think will work than do nothing and let all of the glaring issues continue to be un-addressed because they are a lot of work to fix.

Either way, I see what the current team is trying to do as giving us more options and new ways to play. They are offering diversity and I have no interest in spitting in their face for trying to give us more instead of less.

Name one person (other than yourself) who was for it.

I'm not going to waste my time linking people's responses so you can continue to try to refute completely off topic points. People made posts that were for what they are doing. If you've read most of the topics on Embrava/PD, then you just weren't paying attention or you decided that people who had those opinions weren't worth remembering.

If you want to talk about THFs current state with TH and the hang ups that exist which makes THF an undesirable job to be played by some, then we can continue. Otherwise, I continue to support NON-2H DPS jobs that actually wanted more role diversity so that people could have interesting experiences while playing video games with other people. People should be rewarded for bringing something other than a Ragnarok DRK or WAR.

A THF being more than a TH whore to a system of TH that doesn't truthfully reward them is complete bull shit. It makes people who want to actually play THF angry and unfulfilled. You will always be able to find someone willing to play a THF to proc TH, since that is all they need to do, but that person will go back to playing something fun or rewarding after they are done doing their inconveniencing work as a THF.