TH Procing

[Alhanelem]

There's no way to be attacking with TH+5 while an enemy has anything less than TH+5 on it.

Different characters with different TH levels.

[Dihlyte]

Simply put:

Using anything less than a total of TH14 total lowers your chance to proc from 13-14.

Using anything more than TH14 is not going to increase the chance to proc higher or faster to reach 14.

The above is clearly stated by the developer.

The following, can be assumed, that critical hits do not affect Treasure Hunter rate procs.

[Dihlyte]

Furthermore:

Applying TH 8 then removing your TH gear, will lower your chances to proc to 9.

Applying TH 8 while using TH 8 total will reduce your chances to proc to 9.

Applying TH 8 while using TH 9+ total will maximize your chances to proc to 9. (Anything less will lower your chance, anything more will not increase your chance.)

Procing to TH9 then using TH9 total will reduce your chances to proc to 10.

Procing to TH9 while using TH10+ total will maximize your chances to proc to 10.

So on so forth.

This is clearly stated by the developer.

So if we are to make a random assumption, it can be determined:

TH8 when using TH8/9 total is 100 chance to be applied.
Procing from TH8 to TH 9 while using TH9 equipment grants access to the maximum "set rate" value of let's say 25%.
Procing from TH8 to TH9 while using TH8 or lower total reduces your chances to proc to TH9 from 25% to any value less than 25%, such as 20% in TH8, 18% in TH7 etc.

Or simply:

TH8 (Mob) TH9 (player) 25% chance. (The maximum set rate)
TH8 (Mob) TH8 (Player) 20% chance. (An example of the reduced rate)
TH8 (Mob) TH17 (Player 25% chance. (An example of utilizing additional equipment)

(The above values are simply for representation purposes, and do not reflect actual values in-game.)

[Gwydion]

Combining everyone's input and converting Camate's words with sample data, I've constructed the following tables that I believe illustrate his point.

Assumptions:

1. Base TH Proc Rate is X. (Yellow)
2. Base TH Proc Rate never changes for a positive TH difference between player and monster.
3. Base TH Proc Rate shrinks when TH difference between player and mob is negative.
4. I have assumed a 10% shrinkage (rate of decay) for TH procs below just for illustration purposes.

Questions for SE that will help us players remain current in 2023:

1. Does critical hit rate increase base TH proc rate or subsequent TH proc rates?
2. Does the subsequent TH proc rate shrink when TH difference is negative as implied by Camate?
3. If so, by what amount does the TH proc rate shrink? Can player behavior influence this change outside of wearing more TH+ gear, as described below (and by Camate)?
4. Are personal drop loot (such as Peaches battle, macrocosmic orb campaign, etc). modified by their own Base TH proc rate and a separate rate of decay?

Thank you for so much in advance, even for just reading.

[Dihlyte]

Combining everyone's input and converting Camate's words with sample data, I've constructed the following tables that I believe illustrate his point.

Assumptions:

1. Base TH Proc Rate is X. (Yellow)
2. Base TH Proc Rate never for a positive TH difference between player and monster.
3. Base TH Proc Rate shrinks when TH difference between player and mob is negative.

Questions for SE that will help us players remain current in 2023:

1. Does critical hit rate increase base TH proc rate or subsequent TH proc rates?
2. Does the subsequent TH proc rate shrink when TH difference is negative?
3. If so, by what amount? In my example, I've assumed a 10% decrease or decay rate, just for illustration purposes.)
4. Are personal drop loot (such as Peaches battle, macrocosmic orb campaign, etc). subjected to TH procs as described by Camate and illustrated below? (Can the base TH rate and decay rate differ between different content?)

Thank you for so much in advance, even for just reading.

To my understanding of what is clearly stated by the FFXI developer, you have completely nailed this chart.

Thank you for your effort in creating it!

It looks correct and perfect. Great work!

I do not think critical hit rates affect the rate at which you can proc, per what is stated by the dev response.

[Gwydion]

Thank you so much for the compliment! Let's hope we get some confirmation from SE! I'm always here and happy to help other FFXI players.

[Urioh]

You basically got it right. unfortunately there is less than 0% chance they confirm or answer anything.

[Catmato]

What happened to TH+ from gear and traits capping at 8? Are you implying that 8 is only the max initial application and gear beyond +8 actually does increase the proc rate?

[Urioh]

The first tag is capped at 8, the rate doesn't seem to be

[Alhanelem]

Does critical hit rate increase base TH proc rate or subsequent TH proc rates?

Camate answered this and we quoted it already. Please, stop trying to imagine modifiers that don't exist unless you can provide evidence that they do exist. The dev response indriectly stated the only thing that modifies TH proc chance is not having enough TH.

Even the chart that you created, which doesn't include this as a factor, basically illustrates that. (Very useful chart btw)

As I said before, I'll be the first to agree with you that SE often has... unconventional methods for doing things, but if the devs say "this is how it works" its reasonable to assume that's how it works, unless evidence to the contrary is presented.