TH Procing

[Lokithor]

This is such an incredible smouldering pile of bullshit it exceeds words. SE developers have just admitted that in their vision, the ONLY purpose for thf is to be a TH whore.

[ManaKing]

They are augmented, they just don't have any yellow font on them, which has always been optional. I don't know how it's handled internally though, hence why I said "probably", judging by the mess the rest of their code is in.

Regardless, that would still be a flaky solution. Unless they make it as powerful as comparable knives we'd still have to gimp our damage, and people would swap it out anyway. And once new daggers are released with the new expansion, it would fall behind again, so they'd have to keep upgrading it.

Putting that stat on a weapon in the first place was retarded, any future updates in that direction would be equally pointless for the same reasons.

A flaky solution is still a solution. And solutions make for happier customers.

I don't disagree that it shouldn't have been put on a weapon either, but it was and there are stupid standards in this game that SE doesn't go out of their way to prevent from becoming issues.

[Arcon]

A flaky solution is still a solution. And solutions make for happier customers.

That explains why everyone is so happy about SE's solution to Embrava/PD.

There are solutions that do not make people happy. I called it a flaky solution because it seems to cover the problem, but it really doesn't really connect all the pieces and it will fall apart again in the future. That is not a real solution in the first place.

The best I can say to this topic is the old saying:
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

[Babekeke]

I'm not entirely sure why everyone is so upset by this:

1. Camate didn't tell us anything that hasn't already been said in the THF forums by players.
2. SE aren't saying "if you want drops, you have to full-time TH gear", they're just saying you'll upgrade faster if you do.
3. TH4+ don't make much of a difference anyway.
4. THF can cap haste without hands and feet.

For some of you this is a kick in the nuts because now you have to full-time TH gear. For me this didn't change anything. TH for pulling macro (and evasion macro) and then DD in TH3.

[Byrth]

I have two different TP modes depending on what I want the tradeoff between drop rate and killspeed to be. If I don't want to use TK, I keep it in my sack. I'm capable of duoing Salvage with or without it, so the question is whether or not it increases my gil/hr. It probably doesn't, but if higher levels of TH don't increase my damage then why am I on Thief? I can go DNC/THF with TH2 and clear SSR in an hour.

So now that's what I do. I'd say it loses me about 5 Alexandrite singles per run. I haven't gotten any Linens since I started doing it, but that could just be bad luck.

[Fynlar]

Considering how often I've killed Salvage bosses with a THF and still not gotten jack anyway, I'm more inclined to believe bad luck

[ManaKing]

That explains why everyone is so happy about SE's solution to Embrava/PD.

There are solutions that do not make people happy. I called it a flaky solution because it seems to cover the problem, but it really doesn't really connect all the pieces and it will fall apart again in the future. That is not a real solution in the first place.

The best I can say to this topic is the old saying:
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

I'm perfectly happy with Embrava/PD being finally addressed.

We are at lvl 99. A fix at this point wouldn't really fall apart since we aren't going past 99.

[Arcon]

I'm perfectly happy with Embrava/PD being finally addressed.

Regardless, you can't say the same about the community or SE's customers in general, seeing how almost everyone you seems to rage about it. That's not satisfying their customers.

We are at lvl 99. A fix at this point wouldn't really fall apart since we aren't going past 99.

This has nothing to do with levels. New gear will always be pushed out until the game dies, and when it does, the new knife will fall behind again.

[ManaKing]

Regardless, you can't say the same about the community or SE's customers in general, seeing how almost everyone you seems to rage about it. That's not satisfying their customers.

Everyone on the forums that is against it is vocal. The people who are for it, generally only say it once or twice and then move on because it's no longer an issue to them. Plenty of people are going to be happy to get rid of PD/Embrava since it's already old, boring, and is the blanket strategy for anything that people don't want to take the time to figure out themselves.

[Zagen]

Everyone on the forums that is against it is vocal. The people who are for it, generally only say it once or twice and then move on because it's no longer an issue to them. Plenty of people are going to be happy to get rid of PD/Embrava since it's already old, boring, and is the blanket strategy for anything that people don't want to take the time to figure out themselves.

It's the strategy not because people don't want to take time to figure out other options but because SE in their infinite wisdom thought "monsters that 1-2 shot players" and "an event where so much luck is involved that speed is a major win/lose factor" were good idea. Look at the uses of Perfect Defense and/or Embrava outside of Legion, ADL, NNI. While pretty powerful they aren't used as the go to strategies because other options are available.

As to TH if the gear that had TH+ on it was good then it wouldn't be an issue. But the gear sucks and it's clear with the way TH works SE doesn't want THF to be a DD, just a TH whore and Enmity specialist, both of which it pretty much sucks at because of how both systems work.